evo8 vs st205 vs sti

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evo8 vs st205 vs sti

Postby burden » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:20 am

well i have videos of the japanese running sti vs evo8, and the evo laps faster and doesn't have the chronic understeer like the sti. i was wondering where the st205 fits in this arena? other alltac models also included in this, of course, i just list the st205 because it's the latest of the awd celicas, but if an early st chassis can hold up to an evo8's laptime, let me know! i just wanna know what the outcome of a track race would be and if anybody knows of videos showing the celica vs the evo lemme know! thanks in advance-
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Postby XoDuzZ » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:35 am

the evo 8 must have been heavily modded or the STI driver was blid.


no idea why a sti should beat an EVo. Oh ya - you ahve to realize both of those cars can hit 60 in what... 5 sec flat? I think the celica can corner better than an STI, maybe not as nice as the Evo, but i also know it gets to 60 in about 6 secconds.. and doesn't have 300 horse power.
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Postby busdriver » Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:22 am

I have a Top Gear (BBC show) where they put the evo 8 and the STI up against each other. The evo has a significantly lower track time than the STI. I'm putting the vid on FTP right now but it's a biggie, so even w/ cable it might be a bit.
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Postby busdriver » Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:05 pm

ftp://alltrac:club@ftp.alltrac.net/uploads/Jake/

Link to the movie, very very good by the way. Just long as hell to download. It's the one that says top gear in the title.
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Postby illGT4 » Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:33 pm

XoDuzZ wrote:the evo 8 must have been heavily modded or the STI driver was blid.


That's not the case at all..

an EVO will def. keep up with an STi on the track..

My friend and co-worker, Alex, has a stock EVO. Another guy who is at my work often, Frank, has a stock STi.

They both ran lap times less than a half second apart, and took turns driving eachothers cars.

FWIW, the STi brakes faded easier and the EVO turned in better. Top Speeds were around the same (2mph +, -)
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Postby illGT4 » Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:35 pm

Drivers ability makes a HUGE difference when driving on a race track.

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Postby OlyST185 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:13 am

no matter what ill choose an STI anyway.
why?
mistubushi has very weak drivetrain (subaru too, but not weak as mitsubishi's)
subaru has boxer 4 (ooh yeah i love the sound)

but anyway i way more prefer an ST185 RC than those even if its slower.
why, because it as a indestructible drivetrain (look at pat he got 10.89) with a stock transmission. i know ppl with STI and such with times like low 13 high 12 with their tranny and broke em up.
and WRX has problem with headgasket.

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Postby roo » Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:09 am

the STI has problems with their variable valve timing and boost.....i'de take an STI, swap it with either a JDM STI engine or a base model WRX engine and work from there....

and suspension-wise, the EVO will drive circles around the STI stock for stock....after I get my car back together we'll find out how a modified ST185 fares against them on a few tracks...
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Postby burden » Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:35 am

wtshit, i saw a top gear show as well (dunno if it's the same as yours, i'm currently downloading it :D) but they showed that the sti had slower lap times than the evo but that they would still prefer the "impreza" and had no idea why...i think they liked the sound and untamedness of it all. anywho, sti's are pushing 15 psi, right? evos....dunno. isn't the st205 at 7or 8 psi?? i guess what i'm getting at here is....let's leave all cars stock EXCEPT boost them at the same pressure. suspension, displacement, exhuast size, turbo...all that stays stock. can the st205 hold its own on a track agains the evo and sti??
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Postby RedCelicaTRD » Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:32 pm

Evo runs like 20 psi! And the ST205 was around 13.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:07 pm

I think a stock 205, with a great driver can beat both evo and sti on a short couse. If its a shorter couse with little or no straights then hp will be less of a factor. In my 185 (with coilovers and skinny street tires and less the nstock power) kept up with a modified sti on R compound in autox. I think he was a fraction of a second ahead. Then again, the stock alltrac handling is better on longer turns then short course. If the 205 is setup the same as the alltrac, then maybe a longer course will be better.
I think there were a conciderable amount of things changed to the 205 that would make it better on the short course. Superstrut being one of them.
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Postby MARLON1211 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:05 pm

on a side note his using a Supra tranny on his car, but you didnt hear that from me.
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Postby muneo » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:39 pm

I have a video that tests the st205, sti and evo from 94'. I was actually pretty impressed w/ the st205. I thought with its weight problem it would perform waaay worse than the other two. But it put down a 13.38mph in the quarter vs the sti/evos 13.11mph. On the track it got second to last while the sti got 1st and the evo 2nd. I forgot by how much slower it was but it didn't do to well. Of course a sandy rally track might have been a little different story.
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Postby furpo » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:07 am

we are not comparing apples with apples. the st205 is nearly 10 years old now so the other two cars have had 10 years more development.

yes the toyota is built very well. thats why i have one. and it was a world beater in it's day (well maybe not the st205, the st185 definatly was) at the end of the day though the newer cars are quicker than the older cars.

a better question would be would a st205 beat a evo 8 or new sti with the same value of modifications done to it. the answer is hell yeah :P :P :P 8) 8) :D :D :D :evil:

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Postby burden » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:37 am

"same value of modifications"....to what components? what is it specifically that is holding back the st205 when compared to the sti and the evo? first off, what is the weight difference between the three? i can't imagine the st205 weighs all that much more than either of the others. brakes? suspension? i guess i'm just not seeing where the st205 falls very short. i could research this to death with numbers...but i find conversation more fun-
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