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Postby SuperWhite92 » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:30 pm

emicen wrote:
SuperWhite92 wrote:There's a few people around these boards that get the updates on what Pat does. He still posts here, but it isn't near regularly. The thing is that Pat and the rest of Cloak and Dagger Racing like to keep everything on the downlow, so the builds aren't exactly public, but there really isn't anything particularly magical about them. They're just builds devoid of hype is all. Quality parts and nothing unneccesary, like sleeves. Although the block he uses isn't even a 3S block.

The last public number from Pat's car was during NA2005, where Pat had a dyno sheet that showed 688 awhp. And the car wasn't running 100% at that point, either. Now there's even more power. Pictures of a lot of his setup is in the club gallery, if you're interested.


Does that mean the sleeves are some of the quality parts he runs or they are unnecessary?

Does that mean he runs a 503e block? Was my understanding you couldnt run a 5S block in an alltrac because of the bellhousing area not having space for the transfer?

I've seen some pics of his set up and a translation of some stuff printed in a Greek tuning mag about the car. Dont know how up to date the information or pictures are though. Are the pics on here in other peoples galleries or does he have one himself?


From what I understand, Pat never had a whole lot of luck with sleeves. This modern 5S block he uses has been a lot more reliable.

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Postby emicen » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:17 am

Interesting, what was the modern 5S fitted to stateside?

The guys in the UK looking at these found they were unsuitable but I dont know of many cars we got the 5S in, infact, I can only think of Camrys and theyre pretty much rarer than GT4's over here.
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Postby WarTowels » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:28 pm

5s-fe? Comes in the Celica GT and GT-S trims... and some camrys too. Or are you talknig about something else...
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Postby SuperWhite92 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:35 am

emicen wrote:Interesting, what was the modern 5S fitted to stateside?

The guys in the UK looking at these found they were unsuitable but I dont know of many cars we got the 5S in, infact, I can only think of Camrys and theyre pretty much rarer than GT4's over here.


Yup. Very recent camry's. They have a thicker casting around the oil pump area, not to mention a higher flowing oil pump in general than the 3S blocks.
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Postby emicen » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:01 am

Do they require hacking at the block to mate with the awd tranny? This was the issue that kept being raised with regards to fitting them to a GT4.
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Postby fhalperformance » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:31 am

im also interested in knowing.
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Postby RafaCalde » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:48 pm

don't forget, that car is completely gutted. he was doing 9's full interior with a/c. now it's a full drag car, and it's the original chassis which amazes me. most cars switch to tube chassis long before running those times. why doesn't someone ask him if he would consider building gt4 trannies. hey you never know. the other thing i love is how much he has to play with the whell in order to keep it straight.
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Postby Denver_whiteST185 » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:10 am

RafaCalde wrote: why doesn't someone ask him if he would consider building gt4 trannies. hey you never know. the other thing i love is how much he has to play with the whell in order to keep it straight.


I emailed them. my email back was, in short, "we only do Mitsubishi's"
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