08' Civic Si

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08' Civic Si

Postby xkirex » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:11 am

Sooo a co-worker of mine is flapping his gums about how his Civic si can spank the shit outta my 20yr car. anywho, soon enough we are gunna put it to the test. Im just wondering what you guys think

Current mods. Straight Intake, 10-12psi, JDM 3S. and soon to have full motoria exhaust. still using WTA intercooler
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Postby Corey » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:41 pm

Just looked up the specs.

Has fairly low torque it seems :shrug: only 139 ft*pounds

It weights 1336 kg, 2945 lbs curb weight.

With a HP of 197.

thats a power to weight ratio of 147.45 bhp/tonne

ST165 with a 2nd gen JDM? or 1st gen? and are you using the JDM ecu?

on the stock USDM ST165, power to weight ratio is 128 bhp/tonne, but it has Far more torque.

If its a 2nd gen engine with JDM ECU, and assuming it isnt producing its full potential anymore, maybe down to 215bhp? it would be around 245-250 bhp.

with the same weight, thats a ratio of 168 bhp/tonne, so thats an extra 20 bhp/tonne on the civic. with even more torque.

But the honda has a rev limit and more gears.

I really have no idea lol
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Postby evo » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:52 pm

the best way to handle these situations is to agree
"yeah, you're right your car would probably own mine, it's brand new and that vtek is pretty amazing technology"

then one day put him in his place on the way home

follow up the next morning
"oh wow, i really thought your new car would have more balls than that, maybe you should take it in for service?"

arguing about who's car is faster is pretty gay :twisted:
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Postby bloodMoney » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:57 pm

evo wrote:the best way to handle these situations is to agree
"yeah, you're right your car would probably own mine, it's brand new and that vtek is pretty amazing technology"

then one day put him in his place on the way home

follow up the next morning
"oh wow, i really thought your new car would have more balls than that, maybe you should take it in for service?"

arguing about who's car is faster is pretty gay :twisted:


lol +1

This is the easiest way to shut people up. Personally, I like doing this because I get to sit there and watch them squirm until they actually catch me on the street...

Don't get caught off guard though, Its scary how the GF's RSX pulls all the way to the redline. When I drive it hard, since there isn't any drop-off, I hit the limiter through the first 3 gears... :twisted:

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Postby 88st165 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:28 pm

it'll be close... your best bet is to go from a stop and get him on the launch....
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Postby SuperWhite92 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:04 am

Straightline it could be a race.

Around a course, you'll lose. Sounds strange, I know, but the new new Si's are really hilariously fast around a course.

Assuming drivers are equal, that is.
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Postby lumbercis » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:53 am

I'm unclear from your post what kind of engine you have. Is it a JDM 1st gen or JDM 3rd gen?

Anyway, if you have the intercooling for it and you could turn up the boost to 15 or 16psi with a full exhaust, you'd beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

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Postby xkirex » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:08 am

its a JDM 2nd Gen. came off a 93' trac
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Postby lumbercis » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:30 am

^But you are using the WTA intercooler from the stock 1st gen engine? In that case, you'd need to upgrade your intercooler with either a FMIC or 3rd gen WTA to really be able to turn up the boost.

Of course, you could just ignore the kid. I'd race him with the car as it sits. If he beats you, great. He can tell his friends he beat a 20 year old car with his brand new car. I'm sure they will be impressed.

If he loses, then he looks like a moron for talking smack and then losing to you. So either way, you win.

If he wants to run from a roll, make sure you brake boost so he doesn't get any advantage from your turbo lag. If you can get him to race from a dig, even better.

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Postby 5thgenbliss » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:55 am

The best response is not to open your mouth too much and take the high road for now, until you see him on the road and just evaluate his ability as a driver.

Coming from the vtec world, doesn't matter if its a Civic, a typeR, or an S2K, if you don't know how to drive your car utilizing how vtec works, how to launch, etc. straightline battles are a toss up. there is no relacement for displacement...and torque in this respect. But if he knows what he's doing then you're up for a realistic dissappointment my friend. I think that is the biggest glaring difference i found when goin from vtec mentality to 3sgte technology. I will say that those Honda guys really know how to ring every ounce of hp from their engine in stock trim. I have not been in a honda/acura that doesn't pull hard all whe way up the redline. In fact i have to shake that habit since the stock ct26 runs out of breath 1500K before redline. That and the age/reliabilty of my particular powerplant is still being answered; so i actaully get gun shy winding her up because i don't want any issues so soon in my ownership. That and the my freaking HKS exhaust (those of you who have gotten to know me) is crazy loud (in a bad way for me) at high revs that it just seems wrong. Sad to say, but at thise point in my newbie ownership, it doesn't inspire confidence in me...yet. It also has to do with me not being an ignorant 20something anymore. I just think too much about bustin up my new ride and having to deal with that so soon when i haven't even gotten to warm up to her yet:)

A long story short. Never under-estimate those Vtec guys, unless you have some decent modes, know how to drive your car, or have a 6 or 8cylinder:) And forget about toying with them in the twistys. Like someone said, our car's glory is in the wet, snow and loose ground:) fwd vtecs, forgetaboutit!

Coming from your humble ex vtec worshipper

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Postby hacker_720 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:31 pm

^ more on what he said.

I also drive a Acura 3.2tl as my daily, and man I have to admit, it really feels fast sometimes. not off the line, cause it's "one-wheel-drive" but on the highway it really pulls. I would say almost as much as my friend's caddy STS. I would NEVER corner as fast as I would in the 'trac, cause it's a 3.2tl not a civic or an RSX, but on straightaways I would say she's bordering on being a sleeper.

( I know is Simba reads this he is gonna laugh at me)

what about top speed? or high-speed on the highway? I now the tracs are pretty strong at 140km/h+ hows the civic?
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Postby smog7 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:59 pm

to put it simply, our cars are old. if you up the boost and mess around without doing the necessary 20 year old car maintenance then you will end up with some very high repair bills.
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Postby turbo4wd » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:51 pm

SuperWhite92 wrote:Straightline it could be a race.

Around a course, you'll lose. Sounds strange, I know, but the new new Si's are really hilariously fast around a course.

Assuming drivers are equal, that is.


Did you happen to catch the new Best Motoring where they run the new Type-R Civic around the track and it ended up with a time that was in NSX-R territory? And this was a Type R SEDAN...
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Postby 5thgenbliss » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm

ahh, the 3.2TL. What year do you have? i just let mine go in December. I tell you that car was a nice 4door. The 6spd stick with the brembos up front was a sweet ride for in any price range really. in the twisties its a big car for sure but i've thrown my TL around with confidence. Hopefully by the summer i will have my RC in top working order and have built confidence in the car for me to fully enjoy it:) I can't be foolish and push my luck with the car since its my daily driver and i'm still locking down my budgets for maintanence/repair and for upgrades; sourcing good parts suppliers etc.
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Postby SuperWhite92 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:58 pm

turbo4wd wrote:
SuperWhite92 wrote:Straightline it could be a race.

Around a course, you'll lose. Sounds strange, I know, but the new new Si's are really hilariously fast around a course.

Assuming drivers are equal, that is.


Did you happen to catch the new Best Motoring where they run the new Type-R Civic around the track and it ended up with a time that was in NSX-R territory? And this was a Type R SEDAN...


It was downright hilarious. My roommate is a huge honda fan (He drives an H22/23 powered Accord Coupe or an S2000 depending on season) so he buys every honda-oriented BMI they let out.

Gave me even more respect for what I consider the underdog. Whoda thunk an iteration of the most basic of honda's automobiles is in fact one of their fastest.
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