friend getting a Tc

Road race, Auto X, or the Drag Strip

Postby Guest » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:44 pm

Cumon, you know what I mean. If my g/f and I raced 0-60 or 1/4, I would win in both the tC and the AT. I'm just a quick shifter than her, but if you put her in a turbo mr2 against the tC or the all-trac (stock vs stock), I'm sure she would win everytime.

Here's my review of the tC on the scionlife boards for you guys:)


Well, I've had the chance to drive the car a lot more. Here are my impressions.

Interior

Pro: It's very ergonomic, nicely finished, and I don't have any complaints with the dash. Everything seems so far, up to expectations. There are a lot of neat stuff in there, like the top of the center box pops up, the SSP-> xA, xb, tC, the outside temp, memory driver seat. My family has had over 7 toyota's, and it felt at home while still feeling like I was venturing because of the design. I also LOVE the auto up and down features on both doors. The sunroof is very large and also very welcoming. The sunroof and the panorama moonroof make the car feel very "roomy/airy" inside. The hatch provides a lot of room with the seats down also. Even when it's up, I could fit my hockey bag, and my 33" goalie pads no problem.

Con: The large pillars in front and the back obstruct viewing on certain angles, especially when backing up, it's not bad bad, but it can get annoying. The flip up.down cover for the stereo is at times finicky. I am used to driving a 92 Celica ST, a 90 Celica All-Trac Turbo, and a 91 MR2, the seats in the tC would be incredibly insufficient on cornering, there is not enough lateral support. I would seriously consider changing the drivers seat if I (g/f's tC) bought this car. If you ever get a chance to drive a celica all-trac turbo with power lumbars, you will love it:).

Exterior: The body does look a bit pudgy, but still very beautiful. The lines flow very well, there is not a lot of wheel gap, and the wheels really compliment the flint mica. The headlights do look very bimmer-esque. Also, the sunroof looks hot when it's open. I don't really have any complaints about the exterior looks, I really really like it. I know it's not a sports car, but it does cue to a "wilder" side.

Driving Impressions:
This car is fun to drive to a "normal" person who isn't used to "fast" or "agile" cars. The gearbox is placed well, and shifts very smoothly. I beleive it does 0-60 in around 7.5 seconds. The car uses it's torque well, and you can ease into traffic comfortably on the highway in 4th gear, you can use 3rd if you want to fly. The biggest thing I didn't like was the "short" 1st gear, I know it's made for torque but to me, it's very quick and short. I was also surprised by how soft the clutch was. My mom's 2000 v6 camry 5spd (1% made) has a grabbier clutch then the tC even though it has 39,000 miles. It makes the tC a very driveable car. I haven't dropped the clutch yet and have no plans too:). Just yesterday, I was going 27 mph in a 55 and dropped it to 2nd and shifted at around 5600 rpm and hit 75. To be honest, this car is no slouch and actually feels very quick. It would give my n/a mr2 a run for it's money...but only in a straight line.
Like I said, the seats don't offer enough lateral support for the spirited driving occasions. While driving the car in a curvy back road, you can tell it has body roll, but it also doesn't really give in to it badly either. I was quite impressed given the weight of the car and the lack of rollbars. I did get the back end to slide out a bit (and the whole car to slide) while turning a sweeping curve at about 25 mph (I live in a small town with lots of back roads) and but the tires caught and planted the car straight again. The truth is this is no canyon carver, but it does handle quite well for a sporty coupe.


All in all, it's a very perfect car for my g/f. It's good on gas (about 24 mpg city/hw), 87/89 cheap gas too. It's quick and somewhat agile, but also has enough features to blow away any same price competition. And it looks very good while doing it.

If I were to ever get a tC, it would NEED to have a better drivers seat for lat. support, and sway/roll bars. I thought about springs, but I assume the bars would suffice, plus the roadnoise isn't to bad on bumps.

Just for more info, we test drove and looked at a 05 corolla s 5spd. It was a LOT slower and very "boring" compared to the tC's drive. Also, to get a similarly equipped rolla, we would've spent almost 18000, 15000 more. We also looked at a 2005 celica but at almost 19000 base price and not as loaded as the tC, we didn't even test drive it. Plus, insurance and cargo room would've taken a hit. Though the rolla gets 31/37 mpg and the celi 30/35 was the only "bad" side of the tC.

All in all, a great buy and a really nice car. I read another review and the guy asked the other riders how much they thought the car was, the lowest was almost 20G, honestly a great buy! My g/f loves this car, oh she said hi to the board earlier while I was writing the review.
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Postby Felix » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:22 am

Btw, that was me, Felix.
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Postby gpmarzan » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:47 am

Anonymous wrote:Cumon, you know what I mean. If my g/f and I raced 0-60 or 1/4, I would win in both the tC and the AT. I'm just a quick shifter than her, but if you put her in a turbo mr2 against the tC or the all-trac (stock vs stock), I'm sure she would win everytime.


dude, im comparing the cars specs, not whos quicker at shifting and he who is quicker would win. im comparing two cars. thats all. no need to go all out with other things like 'if my gf was driving an mr2 turbo, im sure she would win against the tc and alltrac.' or 'i would win in both the tC and the AT. im just a quick shifter than her.' dude, where did that come from? the point youre making isnt really irrelevant to this topic. i havent yet to stretch out the Tc's potential so i dont really have an idea of how quick it is and thats why i posted this. yes i know it has less hp than my alltrac, but hows the gearing? that could make a whole lot of difference. and didnt i say this was all in fun? and im not hating on the tc or anything. and its not like im dying to smoke a Tc. regardless if its quicker or slower than my alltrac, i would get one if i could afford it. cheers.
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Postby Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:54 am

No hard feelings, what I was referring to was the "it's always a drivers race". I don't think so in the broad term, but in these two cars, yes it is.
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Postby yettegog » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:41 am

i think it's already been established, but here's a testimonial:

an aquaintance/friend of mine, just got a Tc.

we raced a few days ago, from a stop, rolling, straight roads, back roads. On a straight road, AWD + ct26 short spooling time owns, and on a backroad, it still wasn't much competition with my 14 year old oem struts.

Hands-down opinion: if you know how to drive, a stock alltrac would win against a Tc with your clone driving it anytime, all the time.

BTW: I've got gutted cats, 2.5" all the way back, and a jdm engine (even though it was stated earlier that it doesn't matter w/a USDM harness) w/a spec stage 2 clutch. He's got the exhaust package, intake, basics.
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Postby Gary » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:59 am

Is his tC auto or manual?
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Postby yettegog » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:05 am

standard...

it blows my mind that someone in toyota hasn't thought of putting the caldina engine in the tc w/an awd platform. RETURN OF THE GT-4.

(then again, by the way toyota is heading in recent years, they aren't interested in a powerful sports compact)
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Postby Gary » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:50 am

yettegog wrote:standard...
it blows my mind that someone in toyota hasn't thought of putting the caldina engine in the tc w/an awd platform. RETURN OF THE GT-4.

And hopefully they will not set the price at 30k.
Still, it would give the EVO and STi a hard time, considering that it should be more reliable.
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Postby gpmarzan » Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:01 pm

haha. i guess i wont be racing him with a tc any time soon. Scion was dicking him over with the monthly, and so was acura for the rsx-s..so..he got a CHEVY AVEO..i still dont believe that he got it, but he said he did. I wont believe him till i see it because thats a big jump from wanting a tc or type s, to a aveo?? plus, i know the guy and it dont seem like he'll drive something like that. i never expected him to get one of those. oh yea, and he use to own a 02 civic that got hit in the front and thats why he was looking for a car.
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Postby Gary » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:36 pm

Aveo :shock:
That's the fancy Geo.
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Postby gpmarzan » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:48 am

Gary wrote:Aveo :shock:
That's the fancy Geo.

haha....I KNOW!!!!!!.. i was talking to him and he said he almost flipped it when turning
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Postby yettegog » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:54 am

beautiful car, i'd take that over the Tc...solely on the 210 hp that car produces (if it's a 2005).
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Postby Gary » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:04 am

RSX-s is $23k 160hp/163 ft-lbs
tC is $16k 210hp/143 ft-lb
That's $7k different.
And you know what you can do with $7k :D ......
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Postby gpmarzan » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:50 pm

Gary wrote:RSX-s is $23k 160hp/163 ft-lbs
tC is $16k 210hp/143 ft-lb
That's $7k different.
And you know what you can do with $7k :D ......


you got that backwards, Gary. tC has 160hp/163 ft-lbs, and the type-s has the 210/143. i know you know its a typo :P
oh and Scion was dicking him over with monthly. he said the rsx is less than what scion was offering.
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