VR4

Road race, Auto X, or the Drag Strip

Postby Gary » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:28 pm

Pat's celica :smokes: (which by the way is considered "slow" by Plex)
Members don't see the above ad. Register now - it's free!
93 ST185
Image
Gary
GTFour God
 
Posts: 6430
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:03 pm
Location: Carolina

Postby alltracman78 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:51 pm

Mafix wrote:i have to say that the 3000gt v6tt will stomp the hell out of any celica any day stock to stock.

Not the WRC 205 :wink:
Or any 205 for that matter.
Might beat it, but not by much.
Image
User avatar
alltracman78
GTFour God
 
Posts: 4675
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:04 am
Location: Ma

Postby Kyoto » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:42 am

I heard this from a magazine so i can't personally back it up, however i know that while they are reasonably quick for a stock car, they apparently behave strangely when modified. And when i strangely, i mean your better off not modding them! :shrug:

Does anyone know anything about that?
Tim // Melbourne, Australia

1986 ST165. 152,000km on chassis
ST205 WRC engine / IC system / rear LSD with 82,000km
Blitz K1-380V
Apexi Power FC
Aussie 3" dump pipe to 3" catback system
TWM short shifter.
Whiteline front strut brace
User avatar
Kyoto
Club Member
 
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:15 am
Location: Melbourne

Postby alltracman78 » Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:31 pm

They ARE DSMs. :shrug:

Not the greatest quality.
Image
User avatar
alltracman78
GTFour God
 
Posts: 4675
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:04 am
Location: Ma

Postby SuperWhite92 » Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:13 pm

alltracman78 wrote:They ARE DSMs. :shrug:

Not the greatest quality.


Honestly, I couldn't think of a better way to put it. They certainly are DSM's. They go very fast for fairly cheap, but the 6g72 motor that comes in the 3kgt is even less reliable than the 4g63 that came in talons and eclipses. Especially once modded

They should beat our celicas. 205 would be close, though. And there's no reason why they shouldn't. Even with the extra weight, they have two extra cylinders, one extra turbo and about 100 extra horsepower.

However, they have some really nasty problems that just magnify once they get modded. For example, the oil pump is barely enough to support the engine. Let it get worn out and your engine goes hungry. Also, the transmissions are not what you'd want to be using.

Later models, however, started to have fewer and fewer tranny problems, but the oil problem still glares at the owners. And that problem can be fixed by consulting the aftermarket.

They are way agressive looking cars, though. And they can get stupid fast, stupid quick.
I always think twice before racing one.
Shaun
Image
My 1992 Alltrac is for sale again.
User avatar
SuperWhite92
GTFour God
 
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Fort Collins, CO

Postby mtbgael » Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:59 pm

The only two people I know that own VR4s TRY to break them. They drive them like the stole them, one auto-xes it and wins SM about every time he goes. Neither one will break...both with well over 100k. I drive the hell out of my 6G72 (n/a, sohc... 3G eclipse), have 103k on it, and it just keeps asking for more. I have high respect for the 6G72s RELIABILITY. Got to remember, we drive toyotas, which will keep running through the apocolypse. Other things can still be reliable, that break before a toyota :wink:
Restoring an '88...
Image
mtbgael
Club Member
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:07 am
Location: Virginia Tech

Postby SuperWhite92 » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:09 am

mtbgael wrote:The only two people I know that own VR4s TRY to break them. They drive them like the stole them, one auto-xes it and wins SM about every time he goes. Neither one will break...both with well over 100k. I drive the hell out of my 6G72 (n/a, sohc... 3G eclipse), have 103k on it, and it just keeps asking for more. I have high respect for the 6G72s RELIABILITY. Got to remember, we drive toyotas, which will keep running through the apocolypse. Other things can still be reliable, that break before a toyota :wink:


I see where you're coming from. My toyota will last through the apocalypse, and the honda i owned before that will last through the second apocalypse. I guess my perception is a bit skewed, having owned a honda and a toyota
Shaun
Image
My 1992 Alltrac is for sale again.
User avatar
SuperWhite92
GTFour God
 
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Fort Collins, CO

Postby XoDuzZ » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:31 am

haha... i can totally see toyota's next catchy commercial add:

TOYOTA: READY TO BE DRIVEN THROUGH THE NEXT APOCALYPSE.
1990 White Toyota Celica All-Trac.

Whiteline RSB, TRD Adjustable Struts,
TIEN Camber plates, MBC, Intake,
Short Throw, JDM ECU+Engine,
Redone System 10 with Kicker RMB8's,
Polk Audio Tweeters, Dash Speakers,
and Rear Mid-Woofers.
XoDuzZ
Club Member
 
Posts: 566
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:40 am
Location: Bellevue, WA

Postby ChrisD » Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:54 am

LOL. I like that. :D

...much better than 'looks fast'...haha
1988 ST165
1994 ST205 WRC
ChrisD
Established Member
 
Posts: 1622
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:30 am
Location: Calgary AB Canada

Postby silverarrow » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:06 am

Kinda odd to be ragging on 3kGT vr4s not being fast because like someone said, stock for stock our cars can't beat it. Same mods for mods our cars still can't beat it.

AND most importantly of all, who here on this site has actually own a vr4 and raced, repaired, and maintained one? Those that actually own one have valid reasons to rag on it's reliability, but first of all this subject wasn't even talking about reliability. It was asked about how fast the vr4 was...and it is damn faster stock than 90% of cars on this board is. Sorry guys but I'm speaking the truth. Can't rag on dsms just because they're dsms. Looks like we're repairing our all tracs just as much as those dsm guys are so you guys can't say much about crappy dsm quality.

I'm not a DSM guy, but my friends are and they back it up 110% the whole way. And yes, they ARE fast with minimal mods.
89 240sx
07 Versa SL
silverarrow
Club Member
 
Posts: 637
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:07 am
Location: Inland Empire, Southern California

Postby Griffin » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:40 am

silverarrow wrote:Kinda odd to be ragging on 3kGT vr4s not being fast because like someone said, stock for stock our cars can't beat it. Same mods for mods our cars still can't beat it.

AND most importantly of all, who here on this site has actually own a vr4 and raced, repaired, and maintained one? Those that actually own one have valid reasons to rag on it's reliability, but first of all this subject wasn't even talking about reliability. It was asked about how fast the vr4 was...and it is damn faster stock than 90% of cars on this board is. Sorry guys but I'm speaking the truth. Can't rag on dsms just because they're dsms. Looks like we're repairing our all tracs just as much as those dsm guys are so you guys can't say much about crappy dsm quality.

I'm not a DSM guy, but my friends are and they back it up 110% the whole way. And yes, they ARE fast with minimal mods.


I will say this - I have had to work on a few 3000GT VR4s and Stealth TTs back in the day, and Mitsu definitely found the guy who made the shoehorn they use to cram the alltrac engine in and had him make a much bigger and badder shoehorn to get that TT V6 in there. Its a friggin nightmare to work on when its hot. I imagine one you get used to them though, and if you can work on them at your leisure they are probabloy not TOO bad.
Dave Staba
Owner - DD Performance Research
SOLD - 1990 Black ST185
Current - 2000 Celica GTS , 2000 MR2 Spyder, 2013 Scion FR-S
Sealy, TX
User avatar
Griffin
Established Member
 
Posts: 1690
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:09 pm
Location: Houston, TX

Postby Mafix » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:59 pm

i've worked on them and raced them. made me mad when the SOHC base model that i modded for a friend put out over 220hp n/a. and it was still a pig compared to a lot of them. there is a street legal 993kgt that has over 650 friggin hp. and it's awd. Altered Atmospheres test car, some old guy ownes it. but i did see him lose to a 500 hp mercades. those 3kgt's , all of them, can get some stupid high numbers, but like us (at least i would hope to think) all of the guys i know that own them love to see me out there in my celi and i get a bunch of attention and questions and things like that. most of them know that they can pull away at any given time but they just love to screw around like us :D . then there are the few younger crowd that think they are a fast honda. (no offense to ayone with that) but you guys know what i mean. and those guys are cannon fodder. they don't know what they are doing behind the wheel of one of those.
Mafix
Gold Member
 
Posts: 5877
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:56 pm

Postby Mafix » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:52 am

quick update that 3kgt is a 94 stealth tt with a 99 conversion and it has dyno proven 760awhp. only runs on race fuel. but driven on the street none the less. nuckin futs.
Mafix
Gold Member
 
Posts: 5877
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:56 pm

Postby Trance4c » Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:19 pm

Ouchy.. I just tip over 2600 now in my swap... sorry guys. :shock:
Trance4c
Club Member
 
Posts: 268
Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:23 pm

All-Trac vs VR-4

Postby SolomonMartin » Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:12 pm

I was just reading through some of this site. I used to have an All-Trac. I put a cat-back on it then had a turbo to cat section custom made by a local mandrel bending shop. It had a Blitz Boost Controller when I bought it and an HKS fliter. I never took it to the track, but it held it's own against my friend's WRX (not STI) when it was stock. Then I sold it and bought a 92 Stealth TT. I went 160 in fourth the first time I took it on the highway. All 91-93's were 5 speeds. I put a turbo back exhaust and eliminated two of the three cats. Put a standalone AEM computer in it, 750cc injectors and a pair of clipped 15G's. I ran a 12.1 @ 121. I owned the Stealth for two years, and the All-Trac for two years. The Stealth was faster by a long shot, even stock, but the All-Trac was more fun in alot of ways, much smaller, much less intimidating. I blew two water pumps, collapsed lash adjusters, and warped the hell out of the driveshaft on the Stealth. Most of this before I even started modding it. I had to do the wheel bearings on the All-Trac when I bought it, but that's why I got it so cheap. For the record, I went 172 in 4th, at 6k on the tach in the Stealth, sometimes the car was scary. I miss them both, and I will buy another of both,
but I'll probably buy another All-Trac before a Stealth.
SolomonMartin
 


PreviousNext

Return to Racing Chat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest