1990-93 glass sunroof?

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Postby Hammer » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:08 pm

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Postby bloodMoney » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:22 pm

I'm in the garage almost every night until at least ten trying very hard to get her up and running right... :twisted: My personal deadline is the end of october to get her on the road. At the most. :D

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Postby WarTowels » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:03 pm

Back from the dead!

I don't know about aftermarket, but i do know off the factory line, no 5th gen (in the USA anyway) came with glass.

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I have seen a 5th gen Celica with a GLASS sunroof/moonroof and it was defiantly stock... else it would be the most unique and obscure 'upgrade' ever.

It was at my school. If I see it again, I'll snap pics.

EDIT:

Quick google search returned others with it:

1990 GT-S with "Manual flip-up glass sunroof"

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I kinda doubt it's after market. Would seem weird.

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Postby Autobot » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:00 pm

Looks pretty good.
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Postby BoostedBlueToyotas » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:41 pm

Betcha its not stock, probably an aftermarket company. If you want to
verify it, pull the headliner. The factory roofs actually have an entire tray
that bolts up to the roof. I am guessing that the pictured car isnt a
factory installed item. You usually see the aftermarket ones in the lower
trim cars. Toyota didnt option up the lower models (ST or GT) very often.
So if you wanted a sunroof the dealer had an aftermarket company install them. Usually the power operated ones are higher quality then the simple push up ones. I have the brochures from the day and a glass roof was NEVER an option in any trim level.
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Postby WarTowels » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:09 am

Just seems weird to add a sunroof to a car, I've never heard of that.

And it seems like it would be a one-off thing.

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Postby mnwolftrack » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:53 pm

WarTowels wrote:
EDIT:

Quick google search returned others with it:

1990 GT-S with "Manual flip-up glass sunroof"

I kinda doubt it's after market. Would seem weird.

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That picture sure doesn't resemble a stock roof. Most stock ones are just a pane of glass with rubber around the edge and they sit perfectly flush with the roofline. Aftermarket roofs have that metal lip that's about an inch wide that sits on top the car roof, and they have plastic pieces on top the glass that are the topside of the brackets that make up the front two hinges and back manual handle. The lip is there to provide a base for window sealant to get a good seal. Stock manual toyota sun/moonroofs (you have me all confused on what to call them now) do not have any plastic pieces sitting on top the glass. If you do a quick eBay search for "Toyota sunroof glass" you will likely find a few stock examples of what these old manual roofs look like. Today, I found one for an '84-'89 4Runner and one from a late '80's MR2 (both roofs looked the same).

The only Toyotas I can even recall that came with stock manual roofs were the 1980's pickups and 4Runners.

But, Toyota has had MANY a factory sunroof/moonroof over the years. It begs the question--would another model's roof fit in this same slot? My suspicion is that it actually would, simply because it would seem a little silly to design completely different glass for each and every vehicle every time. Surely, they must have used the same sizes in a few different vehicles at a time.

For what it's worth, I have always been under the impression that "sun" roofs were made of glass, regardless if they were manual tilting or powered sliding/tilting styles. I always thought moonroofs were metal roofs and you could therefore not see the sunshine through them (ever) unless you slid it all the way back. I don't think that being powered or manual or whether there is a sliding shade or not have anything to do with it being a moon or a sun roof. Quite frankly, I don't think there is a clear definition anymore regardless. These were always termed sunroofs up until the 1970's when Ford screwed it up and came up with the term moonroof. But if you go to an aftermarket accessories shop (e.g. window tinting, pin striping, etc...) and ask for a sunroof, they will give you something with glass.

I would actually really like to ditch the factory metal roof and find a pane of glass instead.

What do the non All-trac celica's of this vintage normally have? My buddy's old '86 GT had the metal roof. My '94 GT has a glass one. Hmmm, I should check the dimensions and see if a '94 would fit....
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Postby WarTowels » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:45 pm

My old 94 base model Sentra, with zero power steering, no air conditioning, no spoiler, 14 or 15" hubcaps, had a pop up glass sunroof JUST like that.

So maybe it's not stock... but I do believe other companies made them like that stock as I highly doubt my Sentra's was aftermarket... :shrug:

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Postby mnwolftrack » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:06 pm

Nissan may have done something like that, but I'm just basically referring to Toyota's. Toyota has been pretty consistent in their styling of sun/moon roofs over the years. The whole roof of a vehicle is different if it has a factory sunroof vs. one without one because the factory sunroofs are molded into the roof lines, the metal is rolled downwards for the rubber edge gasket to seal up against, the headliners are molded differently and typically dropped down an inch or two, and the substructure cross-bracing supporting the roof are located differently etc.... Some vehicles are not capable of having an aftermarket sunroof installed if a factory cross-brace is in the way. A sunroof installer would not want the liability of cutting a safety feature, and even if they did, it can be difficult to cut around it and get things to line up or seal correctly.

Aftermarket sunroofs (which are common) are just a hole cut into the roof, and there are two styles to accommodate hard vs. soft headliners. With soft headliners, the headliner isn't cut open as large as the hole in the metal roof. The headliner gets tucked into the actual sunroof structure itself, then a cover is screwed in over it (sometimes there's a piece of rubber/plastic trim that then covers up the screws). I've installed this style of sunroof myself a few times. The other type of sunroof is for hard headliners, and the headliner is trimmed as large as the hole in the metal roof, and a piece of trim is screwed on to the underside of the sunroof frame that extends out passed the hole you cut (if you cut the hole too big, the trim won't cover it up).

Most aftermarket sunroofs are the basic pop-up manual style in which the glass can be removed completely, but there are aftermarket electric roofs. These typically have long brackets that will extend themselves out of the vehicle and rearwards and take the whole sheet of glass with it. Electric aftermarket sunroof panels have to go somewhere when they are slid back, and they normally go outside the vehicle because there isn't enough room under most headliners (of vehicles not equipped with a factory sunroof already).
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Postby RedCelicaTRD » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:35 pm

That is not stock. I have never seen any pop up sun-roofs in the EPC. People used to add sunroofs all the time back in the early 90's.
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Postby gt4tified » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:40 pm

I'll be removing mine soon when I do my paint job since:

1) The car is going to be built for auto-x and I need all the weight-savings I can get; and
2) My cables on the sunroof are currently busted, as I can hear the motor working/spinning but no movement.
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Re: 1990-93 glass sunroof?

Postby xander279 » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:52 am

whats so hard about replacing a piece of metal with a piece of glass? it seems that someone could easily do this themselves.
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Re: 1990-93 glass sunroof?

Postby celicat93 » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:52 am

Mine has a glass roof that was added by the dealer. I was concerned about it before I went to look at it the first time, but it blends pretty well actually. I'm positive that none came from the factory.
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Re: 1990-93 glass sunroof?

Postby xander279 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:53 am

celicat93 wrote:Mine has a glass roof that was added by the dealer. I was concerned about it before I went to look at it the first time, but it blends pretty well actually. I'm positive that none came from the factory.


can i see some pics? i really want to do this
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Re: 1990-93 glass sunroof?

Postby celicat93 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:57 am

I just happen to have some...

https://picasaweb.google.com/jdmac44/MoonRoof?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNzfzKbq_fKdPQ&feat=directlink

(sorry, Google changed the link, now updated)

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