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Postby Yowzas » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:29 pm

Has anyone ever thought about repainting their car by themselves in their garage?
I'm guessing a lot of you probably do.

I was thinking the cost difference between diy and body shop.
First time run at it would cost a lot because the equipment (huge air compressor, sanding equipment, spray gun, isolating the garage, etc) but then the paint jobs after that is just the cost of paint and labour.

Dont' have any painting experience but hoping to learn. Don't mind screwing up a few times as a learning experience. Or should I invest the money into a course at school? but then you'd have to end up buying all that stuff anyways.
Anyone think this would be a good idea?
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Re: Painting

Postby MWP » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:33 pm

You need someone experience there to help you.
Having experience is invaluable with doing DIY car resprays.

BTW, your "if i stuff it up, ill do it again" may sound like a good plan, but trust me, it isnt.
After prepping your car for the new paint, you'll understand.
It takes 20x longer to prep the car properly than it does to paint it.
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Re: Painting

Postby alltracst185 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:32 am

I painted my old 2g Eclipse GST myself in my garage and it came out pretty well. It took 6 hours non stop to prep and paint, then i just let it sit in the garage over night. The next day it was nice and sunny so let it sit out in the sun all day. It's deff doable by yourself if you do the research and have the tools. I had no prior paint experience either. Towels actually painted his Celica GT himself too. :wink: Not that hard to do.
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Re: Painting

Postby Yowzas » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:16 am

aw cripes alltracst185.
That looks like an awesome paint job.. makes me believe I can do it! lol
Thanks for the confidence.
I'm just doing my homework on it before I start buying stuff.
Do you know if i have to buy a 80gal air compressor or can I get away with a 60?
Any advice you wouldn't mind sharing?
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Re: Painting

Postby MWP » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:18 pm

Yowzas wrote:Do you know if i have to buy a 80gal air compressor or can I get away with a 60?


Tank size doesnt really matter... CFM or continuous flow rate does.
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Re: Painting

Postby UtahSleeper » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:22 pm

MWP wrote:
Yowzas wrote:Do you know if i have to buy a 80gal air compressor or can I get away with a 60?


Tank size doesnt really matter... CFM or continuous flow rate does.

Thats what I was going to say. The bigger the tank then the longer you can paint without stopping, but not needed.

May want to get a spare hood and practice on it. That way you can get cheap paint and learn.
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Re: Painting

Postby MWP » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:22 pm

3tcpower wrote:The bigger the tank then the longer you can paint without stopping, but not needed.


If you have to stop at all to let the compressor catch up, then it is too small.
Stopping half way through doing something like a bonnet for example, will result in areas that will need to be sanded & polished due to the overspray.
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Re: Painting

Postby toayoztan » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:37 am

You will want to spend just as much time (if not more) researching and reading up on this forum as you do prepping and painting the car.

www.autobody101.com

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Re: Painting

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:03 am

MWP wrote:
3tcpower wrote:The bigger the tank then the longer you can paint without stopping, but not needed.


If you have to stop at all to let the compressor catch up, then it is too small.
Stopping half way through doing something like a bonnet for example, will result in areas that will need to be sanded & polished due to the overspray.


I know. Thats why you don't get something with only a 1 gallon tank :) Mine is a 5 and with everything I have read, that is more then enough. Plus, I imagine you will have to stop at times(position to paint roof, paint the body panels not on the car, etc.) Mind you, I have not paint my car yet. Just lots of research.
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Re: Painting

Postby Yowzas » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:59 am

Thanks for all the info guys.
I was trying to find paint projects on this page and stumbled on that autobody101 yesterday night. Has quite a bit of information on it. So I'm definately going to use it as a reference.
If you have to stop at all to let the compressor catch up, then it is too small.

That's what I thought too because everywhere I've read that you need a 13cfm 80gal compressor or somewhere along the lines. I guess it depends too if it's a HVLP gun.

May want to get a spare hood and practice on it. That way you can get cheap paint and learn.

I feel like such an idiot. I do have spare fenders but I never thought of practicing with cheap paint... I think I was planning on painting the fenders then swapping them out to see how they look.

I'm planning on painting the quarter panels. I heard if you want to do that you'd have to repaint the roof... and pretty much most the car. So I'd have to get a big compressor to paint that much area properly right? The rest I'll take apart and paint. Would that end up looking weird? or is it better to mask everything an spray the entire car to get an even coat?

Any tips on painting the roof? Cause if you pretty much paint the roof from one side, finish the quarter panel side your working on, then run to the other side wouldn't the paint of flashed so trying to connect the new paint with the roof paint might end up looking bad?

Another thing, Can you just order the paint through toyota? I just want to paint it the original onyx black

Thanks for all the help guys
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Re: Painting

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:20 am

You can get the factory colors at most automotive paint stores. Just find one in your area. The one near me has a book with all the colors for all years, makes and models.

Someone on celica tech paint there car with a 1 gallon tank, if I recall correctly. His biggest complaint was that he had to stop frequently.

My main point is, you don't NEED a hug compressor and tank to paint a car. If you were doing it for business then I would suggest a big tank. Good luck and just keep researhing :)
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Re: Painting

Postby ___Scott___ » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:55 am

If you are just doing a solid black, you don't need a compressor at all. Or spray equipment for that matter. If you are willing to do some color sanding and buffing, it doesn't really matter that much how the paint gets on the car. Brush, roller, spray bottle, etc... Sure it's more work and will take longer, but it's a lot cheaper. If you are not planning to do a lot of painting I don't think it makes sense to buy a lot of equipment for just one job.

Of course, if you are looking for an excuse to buy the equipment then that's a different matter.

Check out this guy's site for an example of what can be done with a foam brush and a lot of patience:
http://www.stylusscustoms.com/poormanspaintjob.html

I've seen that car in person and you would never guess, just by looking it over, that it was done with a foam brush and cheap paint.
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Re: Painting

Postby Yowzas » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:10 am

If you are just doing a solid black, you don't need a compressor at all. Or spray equipment for that matter. If you are willing to do some color sanding and buffing, it doesn't really matter that much how the paint gets on the car. Brush, roller, spray bottle, etc... Sure it's more work and will take longer, but it's a lot cheaper. If you are not planning to do a lot of painting I don't think it makes sense to buy a lot of equipment for just one job.

Of course, if you are looking for an excuse to buy the equipment then that's a different matter.

Check out this guy's site for an example of what can be done with a foam brush and a lot of patience:
http://www.stylusscustoms.com/poormanspaintjob.html

I've seen that car in person and you would never guess, just by looking it over, that it was done with a foam brush and cheap paint.


Wow that is a pretty amazing job using a foam brush.
I was planning on getting all the equipment so I can do the paint job on other cars too.
I work downtown and people there are retarded.. no courtesy on opening their car door so It doesn't hit the car next to them. *sigh* had my mazda3 for like 4 months and have acquired over 4 door dings, a scraped bumper, and soo soo many scratches. It isn't much but then again I have almost the same deal with my celica.
Hopefully if i learn how to do this i won't be as pissed off finding new dents in my car.

hmm... just drove by a shietty truck. 500$ cash.. made me want to just buy it and strip it down to experiment lol
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Re: Painting

Postby toayoztan » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:45 am

Having to stop to have the compressor catch up is not so much the issue, if you can't avoid it. 80 gallon 13scfm compressors are NOT cheap, the initial investment in that with the other equipment to paint your car, combined with your own labor...you won't be saving or offsetting much than to take it to a shop that can do it with experience for a little more.

However, if you go with decently priced equipment that is affordable (because the key thing here is you are trying to save money, i assume, which is why you're painting this car yourself)...it is important to know when to stop painting in anticipating the compressor (watch it carefull...practice, get a feel for how much air you are using when spraying). You will always want to start spraying before you even touch/hit the panel, and let go AFTER you've cleared the body/panel.

You will also lean things like sweeping, walking, holding this and that still, adjusting pressure and distance to maximize flow and reduce orange peel, etc.

What's important is technique, obviously somewhat adaquate equipment, practice on spare panels, and be sure to have good filters, and do NOT cheap out on the paint (the brand) and prep work.

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Re: Painting

Postby Yowzas » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:53 am

Having to stop to have the compressor catch up is not so much the issue, if you can't avoid it. 80 gallon 13scfm compressors are NOT cheap, the initial investment in that with the other equipment to paint your car, combined with your own labor...you won't be saving or offsetting much than to take it to a shop that can do it with experience for a little more.

That's a good point. I thought 80gal tanks are about a grand. and the rest probably shouldn't hit more than 2500 right? I'm just goign with toyota onyx black. Thanks for the tip on the compressor. Up till now I just thought you had to finish it as soon as you can. If you stopped half way on a panel it would dry and you'd get blochie paint. But technique is more important and anything else.

Again, main reason i want to learn is cause I'm tired of the devastation of getting to my car and seeing another door ding on it. At least if i know how to repair them I can brush it off and say I'll fix it later lol.

You will also lean things like sweeping, walking, holding this and that still, adjusting pressure and distance to maximize flow and reduce orange peel, etc.

What's important is technique, obviously somewhat adaquate equipment, practice on spare panels, and be sure to have good filters, and do NOT cheap out on the paint (the brand) and prep work.

THANKS! i didn't even think of that. got to figure out some sort of system if i paint my entire car where the hose hangs from the ceiling and it doesn't ever hit my car while I'm walking around painting it.

One question. If I put too much paint on one area, would the colour just be really dark? and I'd have to sand and repaint or would it just be thicker and take longer to dry then I can just sand it down?
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