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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:33 am

OKAY, so i'm on my quest for 300AWHP...and have quite a good idea how to get there (old school rally master for a stepdad)...heres my current setup (performance mods only)

-3" turbo back exhaust (SSAC DP), N1 muffler
-BayAreaAT FMIC kit, 2.5" piping
-straight intake with HKS mushroom filter
-52 trim CT26 (100-ish miles)

i'm pretty sure that's all, actually...i've got gauges in right now, and need some small time tuning to be done. so far, i was thinking something along the lines of:

-SB kit from KO (or ATS kit) but leaning more towards SB
-256 cams
-adj. cam gears
-upgraded fuel system?
-upgraded ignition components?

along with this will be a rebuilt motor (pistons, H beam rods, etc...)
also, since my motor will be out, a new clutch and flywheel will also be in order.

any input/reactions? any OTHER things i should look into, such as an EMS?
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Postby toayoztan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:58 am

For starters, i'll tell you what I believe to be unnecessary in your mod list. You don't need the SB kit and you don't need a rebuilt bottom end (pistons and rods). The stock internals will handle just fine. As for the turbo, go for something like the ct20b/ct27, it'll be cheaper and get you the 300hp you'll want.

Upgrading things like the fuel/ignition components, you'll want to do (550cc injectors I believe will do, but i may be off with a walbro 255/supratt fuel pump). The FMIC wasn't really needed either, but it does help (perhaps one of BayAreaAT's TMIC kits would have done the job). A boost controller is a must, some good tuning, and you should have it with your current mods. Definitely don't forget the HG.

Oh, a VPC of some sort would be more practical/feasible than getting an EMS, if you can source one up.

I haven't reached 300hp, so i don't know what it takes EXACTLY, but i do know you don't need some of what you plan to do.

"coming from an old guy..", how old are you?? Old or not, we all need to start somewhere! As long as you're starting :wink:

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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:13 am

well i'll keep my age a secret for now...but old in terms of being on the board...but anyway, i tihnk the internals are needed (ive discovered through maintenance that previous owners abused my car)...and id like to have the freshness of new products, you can never know when old ones will faulter...but i suppose the CT27 sounds like a good idea. definitely cheaper...have you heard the KO clip of LOKI during startup and rev? VERY nice...and as for the VPC you were talking about...could you clarify what it is as opposed to an EMS?
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Postby toayoztan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:31 am

theUNYTEDone wrote:well i'll keep my age a secret for now...but old in terms of being on the board...but anyway, i tihnk the internals are needed (ive discovered through maintenance that previous owners abused my car)...and id like to have the freshness of new products, you can never know when old ones will faulter...but i suppose the CT27 sounds like a good idea. definitely cheaper...have you heard the KO clip of LOKI during startup and rev? VERY nice...and as for the VPC you were talking about...could you clarify what it is as opposed to an EMS?


EMS replaces the ECU completely. VPC (vane pressure converter) just rids the AFM (which is always a nice thing to do). The VPC basically "learns" from the AFM, and after it learns, the AFM can be removed and the VPC is then used instead.

Internals are optional, like i said, it's not needed. However, if you suspect abuse (which these things can stand), and have the money for it, by all means get it done. Otherwise, even with some abuse, bearing replacement and perhaps shot peen the rods are all that's needed. Obviously you'll want to clean up the pistons too.

No i haven't seen the video either, i'll check it out in a bit. But yeah, keep in mind that CT27, definitely a more practical option for you!

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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:05 am

great info!...any idea how much the VPS costs? sources?
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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:56 am

i was reading about the CT27 on ATS' site, and their test runs were on 22psi, 17, etc...is 22 psi reliable for daily driving? i believe ive forgotten to mention that i'd like 300 DAILY hp...lol
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Postby hinkle » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:59 am

this guy knows...or atleast seems like it: http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

i dunno if thats totally agreeablebut to the 300 mark its pretty good
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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:27 am

haha, printed this one out a long time ago! thanks though, ive been tyring to find the page again...
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Postby Conan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:43 am

toayoztan wrote:As for the turbo, go for something like the ct20b/ct27, it'll be cheaper and get you the 300hp you'll want.

I don't think any of them can do reliable 300 HP at the wheels without too much stress. I'd go for the SB46 and end up with something a little more than 300 ;) And yeah, you have to go stand-alone engine management + aftermarket fuel delivery to get things sorted out.
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Postby turbo4wd » Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:53 pm

theUNYTEDone wrote:but old in terms of being on the board...


January 2006 is old? Of have you been bouncing around under different names?
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Postby SuperWhite92 » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:28 pm

turbo4wd wrote:
theUNYTEDone wrote:but old in terms of being on the board...


January 2006 is old? Of have you been bouncing around under different names?


I think he means "old" in terms of being "not new"

Those of us who still bitch about the new color scheme and who still remember the yahoo group are "old"
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Postby turbo4wd » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:04 pm

SuperWhite92 wrote:Those of us who still bitch about the new color scheme and who still remember the yahoo group are "old"


yes.. the original gt4 yahoo group.. not version 2.0..

ahh the good ol' days.. LOL :D
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Postby Austen_gt4 » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:20 pm

turbo4wd wrote:
SuperWhite92 wrote:Those of us who still bitch about the new color scheme and who still remember the yahoo group are "old"


yes.. the original gt4 yahoo group.. not version 2.0..

ahh the good ol' days.. LOL :D


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Postby theUNYTEDone » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:55 pm

SuperWhite92 wrote:
turbo4wd wrote:
theUNYTEDone wrote:but old in terms of being on the board...


January 2006 is old? Of have you been bouncing around under different names?


I think he means "old" in terms of being "not new"

Those of us who still bitch about the new color scheme and who still remember the yahoo group are "old"


:P i bought my car 9 days before becoming a member, FRIDAY jan 13, 2K6...basically knew NOTHING about it, and look now...hehe

but back to on topic...the ct27 wouldnt be reliable at that pressure for very long eh?
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Postby toayoztan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:23 pm

Well I agree if you want daily driver, i'd go with SB 46trim then. You could use their ROM tune, etc. you'd have to just ask them and look into it more a bit.

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