Nemesis for ST165

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Would you buy a Nemisis Plug and Play for your ST165

Yes, within one month
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4%
Yes, within 6 months
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22%
Yes, within 1 year
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22%
Yes, at some point
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26%
No
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Total votes : 23

Nemesis for ST165

Postby acylon » Wed May 24, 2006 8:31 pm

We are gauging interest to see if it would be worth while to make Hydra Nemesis Plug and Play for the ST165.

Price would be $1795 with wideband.
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Postby MrWOT » Wed May 24, 2006 9:12 pm

What kind of features can we expect? I've never actually looked into it before since it's gen2+ only. If it's a good system and plug and play, I'd definetly be interested within 6 months.
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Postby toytech » Wed May 24, 2006 11:06 pm

I have had one for almost 2 years now, first in my sc now my 165 (same plugs just reassigned the wires) they have always been available if you supply an donor ecu for the connectors. Awsome ems! seems like a good price as well, is there a new source for the connectors?
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Postby nfn15037 » Thu May 25, 2006 3:25 am

toytech wrote: is there a new source for the connectors?


Most any connector is available from AMP distributors with a large enough order.

Thumbs up on the Hydra for AllTracs, it is a very nice EMS!
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Postby acylon » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:29 pm

KO Racing now sells Hydra Nemesis PnP for ST165* and ST185.
Price for ST165 $1895
Price for ST185 $1795

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Features:
Hydra Nemesis Plug & Play Engine Management System

The Hydra product line is powered by dual 16-bit 25MHz Motorola processors which provide fast and accurate control of your engine.
The system has the following features:

Eliminates the stock air flow meter (AFM) and cold start injector

User configurable 32x32 fuel and timing maps with selectable RPM and load points

Two selectable 32x32 fuel and ignition offset maps for alternate fuels

Directly supports the NGK L1H1 and L2H2 5-wire wideband oxygen sensor (additional cable required)

Uses stock engine sensors including the distributor

Built-in launch control (2-step) for drag racing applications (additional cable required)

Controls the stock ignition

Runs full sequential injection

Supports full sequential ignitions

Operates all accessories including AC, power steering, cruise control and ABS

Controls the TVIS, EGR, fuel pump volume and engine check light

Uses the stock idle speed valve to provide a stable idle under different loads

Internal 3-bar MAP sensor supports up to 30psi boost

External MAP sensor support for applications up to 45psi boost (additional sensor required)

Rev limit to 16,000 RPMs with adjustable soft (random miss) and hard (complete cut) rev limiters

RPM adjustable knock detection threshold for detonation protection

Adjustable fuel cut for overboost protection

Easily configurable to work with 91-92, 93-95 and genIII engines

Uses stock narrowband oxygen sensor to maintain proper fuel mixture while idling and cruising

Individual cylinder fuel trims

Quick connect 2-piece laptop cable can be easily routed to passenger cabin

Windows-based tuning software

On-board and laptop datalogging at adjustable timing rates

Controls Aquamist 1S and 2C water injection setups

Adjustable air and coolant temperature correction of fuel and timing

Supports staged injection setups (additional injectors and cable required)

Controls boost (boost control option required)

Operates as a turbo timer (turbo timer option required)

Comes with base maps to start most engine setups and drive them to the dyno for proper power tuning

Controls any level of power from a bone-stock 170rwhp up to +600rwhp monsters

The unit includes:

Hydra Nemesis 2.5 computer

Plug and play adapter for genII and genIII 3S-GTE engines

CD with software and base maps

Cold start MAT sensor plate

Cold start feed plug for stock fuel rail

GM MAT sensor

MAT sensor wire

10' laptop cable (with easy disconnect to thread through firewall to passenger cabin)

4' of 4mm vacuum hose

4mm tee

½" grommet

NTK L1H1 or L2H2 sensor

Wideband sensor to Hydra Nemesis 2 cable

Autotune mode based on target AFR map

Toyota O2 bung to 18Mx1.5 adapter plate

½" grommet

For an additional $150, the unit will include:

Boost control solenoid

Bracket and hardware to attach solenoid to firewall

Boost solenoid to Hydra Nemesis 2.5 cable

For an additional $50, the unit will include:

Turbo timer harness

Turbo timer power relay

For an additional $25, the unit will include:

Launch control cable

*note for ST165 the Nemesis is not 100% perfect pnp because you will need to route the fuel pump switch from the AFM to the Nemesis in order to remove the AFM from the system. Also, if you want to run the injectors in full sequential mode (which I recommend because it makes a little bit more torque and gives you slightly better fuel economy) you will need to rewire two of the injectors.
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Postby killer_siller » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:21 pm

can i get one tomorrow? dead serious. i've got the money. i saw the pricing for an AEM EMS and about cried. this is cheaper wired than that would be in a box. can i get one tomorrow?
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Postby acylon » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:20 pm

Hi Jeff,

The Nemesis can currently be done for a ST165 if you supply an ECU with connectors in good shape – that’s the gating factor. As I understand it, the AEM already is available plug and play for the 165, so I’m not sure why they would need to wire it in. The Nemesis is about $200 less expensive than the AEM, but other than that, they are fairly comparable.



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Postby MrWOT » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:08 am

Happy b-day btw, Acylon :smokes:
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Postby acylon » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:58 pm

MrWOT wrote:Happy b-day btw, Acylon :smokes:

Thanks :D
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Postby acylon » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:20 pm

OK, after more research into this I have found that AEM does not make a PnP for the ST165.

We now offer the Hydra Nemesis Plug and Play for the Toyota Celica All Trac ST165
Price with Wide band $1895.

For more info go here:
http://alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=131490#131490
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Postby MrWOT » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:37 pm

Question time!

#1 How many ignition drivers does the Nemesis support? Will it do coil on plug?

#2 And will it support sequential operation of staged injectors? Do the primary injectors remain on, or can it be configured for secondary fire only at a given rpm, then reintroduce the primary injectors at a second later rpm?
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Postby acylon » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:18 pm

MrWOT wrote:Question time!

#1 How many ignition drivers does the Nemesis support? Will it do coil on plug?

#2 And will it support sequential operation of staged injectors? Do the primary injectors remain on, or can it be configured for secondary fire only at a given rpm, then reintroduce the primary injectors at a second later rpm?

The Nemesis has 8 ignition outputs. All outputs are 5 volt low-level fire signals that drive a standard ignitor circuit directly.

The staged injector strategy is hardcoded into the firmware and there is no control over when the primaries and secondaires kick in. You just put how much fuel you want in the map and it brings in the secondaries when it needs to to deliver more fuel.

All this stuff is way beyond plug and play, however.
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