Privatising AllTrac.net
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grip addict
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no way should we privatize. for one thing, that would severly kill off any prospetive buyers of cars and goods. i bought my car from someone on this webby, and wouldn't have if i couldn't get on here for free. i'm not planning on joining gt4oc because i don't feel like paying... and i'd hate for alltrac.net to be the same way. besides, robert owns the site anyways, and why would he privatize it? it would cut out business for 935...
there are private toyota websites out there, by the way...
there are private toyota websites out there, by the way...
Unfortunately, a business that is going to make several hundred dollars working on an Alltrac is in the best position to afford whatever sign up fee is charged. That won't fix that problem.
I'll try to find Dennis Heath's write up on his feelings when GT4OC went private. Basically, he was pissed off that all the good info that he contributed, free of charge and to be read free of charge, was now locked away by GT4OC.
I'll try to find Dennis Heath's write up on his feelings when GT4OC went private. Basically, he was pissed off that all the good info that he contributed, free of charge and to be read free of charge, was now locked away by GT4OC.
on this topic, and on the topic of new alltrac owners(Myself) is they any way to get back the wealth of knowledge that was on the previous forums back here?
I'm willing to search for information, but our search seriously sucks, with enought searching I can find most of the stuff that I want, but there are often 50 pages of threads that come on up a simple topic.
I would LOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE to get some of the sticky's and writeup's of the past back for us newbies.
I'm willing to search for information, but our search seriously sucks, with enought searching I can find most of the stuff that I want, but there are often 50 pages of threads that come on up a simple topic.
I would LOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE to get some of the sticky's and writeup's of the past back for us newbies.
theUNYTEDone
Moderator
well well...i suppose i can relatet this information-stealing dilemma to my days of graffiti. back when i was hard into it, i would slap my name on various surfaces, only to later find it covered over with paint or crossed out with another writer's name. this pissed me off, but then again, why was i writing in the first place? to be heard. we are being heard when people take our information elsewhere. it is most definitely, a shame that no one give's credit, but i could almost guarantee it that it's just the people's laziness factor. granted, there are going to be those bitches that when asked where the information gained is from, will say "oh, i knew it from before" or something along those lines...we cant really avoid those.
however, i say keeping it unprivatized would be a "the good outweighs the bad" type of deal.
....and one last thing, what's a wiki?
:doh:
however, i say keeping it unprivatized would be a "the good outweighs the bad" type of deal.
....and one last thing, what's a wiki?
:doh:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki....and one last thing, what's a wiki?
Gary":7lbof7v5 said:
btw, there's an article about Celica
but I see some imprecisons concerning gen.5 Celica
I've been to a few Celica forums, which I will leave unnamed. However the only one I check regularly is Alltrac.net
This is the only forum I actively check and nubbishly pollute.
I come here on an almost day to day basis and read about my dream car. I just want to say that everyone here, almost, has been extremely nice, helpful, and knowledgeable.
I love the site, and it keeps me happy till I get my very own Alltrac.
Don't make it private!
-Towels
This is the only forum I actively check and nubbishly pollute.
I come here on an almost day to day basis and read about my dream car. I just want to say that everyone here, almost, has been extremely nice, helpful, and knowledgeable.
I love the site, and it keeps me happy till I get my very own Alltrac.
Don't make it private!
-Towels
killer_siller
New member
there was a guy on here that was taking stickies, and write-ups, and posting them up on what could have been considered a wiki. i can't remember what his name was, or what the name of the "wiki" was, but it was going REALLY well for a while, and i haven't heard anything of it in a little bit. it was named AT** as in all-trac something-something. like all-trac info archive, or something stupid like that. anyone remember it?
i DEFINATELY want to know what happened to it.
i DEFINATELY want to know what happened to it.
Mr. Sociable
New member
I didn't see it suggested...
But how about a PRIVATE writeup forum that only members can acess to help us noobs (read:me) out. The rest can stay public.
I'm not sure if you can do that or not, but I don't see why it wouldn't work since the general concern seems to be with businesses taking information from individuals on here, and that could help at the very least.
:shrug:
But how about a PRIVATE writeup forum that only members can acess to help us noobs (read:me) out. The rest can stay public.
I'm not sure if you can do that or not, but I don't see why it wouldn't work since the general concern seems to be with businesses taking information from individuals on here, and that could help at the very least.
:shrug:
MR S- You cant prevent businesses signing up as an individual and accessing the "PRIVATE" section mentioned and using that.
I paid to join the OC and to be honest - £20 was WELL worth it, there was so much info there but then if you start charging for peoples info - who benefits? In the OC many people benefited as the club got large discounts to events etc which were passed on to the members. The problem is that as soon as you charge for it you a) stop newbies from seeing exactly how useful the site is and b) the people who pay for it will want a say in how its run and you'll be amazed how complex running a club is.
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Defn:
Plagiarism is the practice of claiming, or implying, original authorship, or incorporating material from someone else's written or creative work in whole or in part, into ones own, without adequate acknowledgment.
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Surely a link to the original post is perfect acknowledgement? What you like - paying for it?
I paid to join the OC and to be honest - £20 was WELL worth it, there was so much info there but then if you start charging for peoples info - who benefits? In the OC many people benefited as the club got large discounts to events etc which were passed on to the members. The problem is that as soon as you charge for it you a) stop newbies from seeing exactly how useful the site is and b) the people who pay for it will want a say in how its run and you'll be amazed how complex running a club is.
_________
Defn:
Plagiarism is the practice of claiming, or implying, original authorship, or incorporating material from someone else's written or creative work in whole or in part, into ones own, without adequate acknowledgment.
________
Surely a link to the original post is perfect acknowledgement? What you like - paying for it?
Mr. Sociable
New member
coyoteboy":1x2lji4k said:
True...this slipped my mind. I still can't say that I would want to pay for the site though. :shrug:
Of course, no-one wants to pay for it Not for freely donated information. The thing people (like the OP) miss is that you dont really pay for the info/forums on most club sites,you pay for membership to a club and all the gubbins that go with it. Its not like those clubs are stealing the info and charging for it - if its already out there on the 'net they can do what they like for it. Locking it away and charging for it will just make more people start again and launch another free site and the circle starts again - its stupid.
Not for freely donated information. The thing people (like the OP) miss is that you dont really pay for the info/forums on most club sites,you pay for membership to a club and all the gubbins that go with it. Its not like those clubs are stealing the info and charging for it - if its already out there on the 'net they can do what they like for it. Locking it away and charging for it will just make more people start again and launch another free site and the circle starts again - its stupid.Flyin' Bryan
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killer_siller":1e6vbayl said:
IIRC that was David (Coding Paradox) and it was called Trac-Faq. Sadly there is nothing left of it.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050428175307/tracfaq.nw-celica.com/wiki/run.php?iRequest=wiki/ViewPage <- Internet archive
alltrac.net
New member
Ever since the beginning, I always wanted the website to be free and informative.
Back before forums were wildly popular, I would spend hours making write up web pages with pics and putting them on the public domain. We are all here to help each other.
Some forums try to "hide" information, which I have always hated. Ever found an informative link through google, only to be hit with a registration page? OUCH!
Would you really want someone to register just to answer a burning question? If you don't want to help people, that is no problem, because there are always other people willing to do so.
Back before forums were wildly popular, I would spend hours making write up web pages with pics and putting them on the public domain. We are all here to help each other.
Some forums try to "hide" information, which I have always hated. Ever found an informative link through google, only to be hit with a registration page? OUCH!
Would you really want someone to register just to answer a burning question? If you don't want to help people, that is no problem, because there are always other people willing to do so.
First, 3 cheers for Robert for keeping this site going all these years.
Second, gt4oc.co.uk privatised a couple of years ago. Here is the post I dug up from Dennis Heath (for those that don't know, one of the original alltrac pioneers. Check out his website too). This is from the gt4 mailing list on yahoogroups. Basically, it all started when Dennis realized that gt4oc.com was charging new members 20 quid to join. This is after it had been free for many years. His concern is that he posted to that site frequently, and received/receives nothing in return, with nothing asked for.
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Now that really bugs me, and I mean really!!! I don't mean to sound
conceited, but I put a LOT of info onto the web through my site and
mailing lists. I was a guinea pig sooo many times I can't count, and to
this day I have not made a single dime on any of the info I shared. Now
let's throw in all the other names who have been pioneers and freely
shared info over the years.............is gt4oc gonna give me or them a
cut of the loot?!?!
I think we need to set an exmaple here. If gt4oc thrives, then this will
spread like a disease (which is good way to describe charging for
something you don't even provide!) Right now there are a few GT4 forums,
so imagine if everyone charged U.S. $35.00. Just between the gt4 list,
gt4 v2.0, alltrac.net, and gt4oc, that's a nice U.S. $140.00 you have to
shell out for 'maybe' getting the info you want, cause I'm willing to
bet that gt4oc is NOT giving you a garuntee that you WILL get an answer
to any gt4 related question. Jeez, I'm now on 12 WRX related forums, I'd
have to shell out U.S. $420.00 if they all charged that amount.
Bottom line, if you don't want to end up having to pay to be on every
forum, you NEED to boycott the ones that charge. Don't feed the monster
and it will die!! Remember people, this isn't coming from someone who
hasn't ever contributed to the gt4 community, so hopefully it will mean
something.
Dennis
1990 Toyota Celica GT-Four
2001 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
http://member.newsguy.com/~gtfour
Second, gt4oc.co.uk privatised a couple of years ago. Here is the post I dug up from Dennis Heath (for those that don't know, one of the original alltrac pioneers. Check out his website too). This is from the gt4 mailing list on yahoogroups. Basically, it all started when Dennis realized that gt4oc.com was charging new members 20 quid to join. This is after it had been free for many years. His concern is that he posted to that site frequently, and received/receives nothing in return, with nothing asked for.
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Now that really bugs me, and I mean really!!! I don't mean to sound
conceited, but I put a LOT of info onto the web through my site and
mailing lists. I was a guinea pig sooo many times I can't count, and to
this day I have not made a single dime on any of the info I shared. Now
let's throw in all the other names who have been pioneers and freely
shared info over the years.............is gt4oc gonna give me or them a
cut of the loot?!?!
I think we need to set an exmaple here. If gt4oc thrives, then this will
spread like a disease (which is good way to describe charging for
something you don't even provide!) Right now there are a few GT4 forums,
so imagine if everyone charged U.S. $35.00. Just between the gt4 list,
gt4 v2.0, alltrac.net, and gt4oc, that's a nice U.S. $140.00 you have to
shell out for 'maybe' getting the info you want, cause I'm willing to
bet that gt4oc is NOT giving you a garuntee that you WILL get an answer
to any gt4 related question. Jeez, I'm now on 12 WRX related forums, I'd
have to shell out U.S. $420.00 if they all charged that amount.
Bottom line, if you don't want to end up having to pay to be on every
forum, you NEED to boycott the ones that charge. Don't feed the monster
and it will die!! Remember people, this isn't coming from someone who
hasn't ever contributed to the gt4 community, so hopefully it will mean
something.
Dennis
1990 Toyota Celica GT-Four
2001 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
http://member.newsguy.com/~gtfour