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Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby TDISyncro » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:40 am

Project sold. Thanks for the help you all.
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby killemalltrac » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:36 am

That's rad, I would love to get an alltrac Camry. I am also a huge fan of the VWs. I generally prefer them older tho. I had a 77 westfalia for my first car... And I'm from Oregon haha!!
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby GT4_DRED » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:14 pm

soarinhigh wrote:That's rad, I would love to get an alltrac Camry. I am also a huge fan of the VWs. I generally prefer them older tho. I had a 77 westfalia for my first car... And I'm from Oregon haha!!


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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby Street_Chally73 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:13 am

The clutch master can still be the culprit, even though it's not showing any signs of leaking...when mine went out on my old Corolla, there wasn't any visible leaking from the engine bay. However, you could see moisture on the clutch rod boot underneath the dash.

I figured it was the clutch because the car had around 150-160,000 on the original clutch, but much to my amazement the clutch still looked to be in good shape (ended up swapping it out just for piece of mind even though we later figured out it was just the damn master cylinder).

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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby TDISyncro » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:19 am

Thanks for the replies. Glad to see a little love for the dub around here. I'm a lover of all cars. I bled the system out and had no air bubbles. The slave seems to move its entire throw but I can't me sure of that as I don't have a repair manual for it yet. (any recommendations on manuals for these)

It's very strange. Sometimes I can get into first with no problems and other times its almost impossible to get in to without shutting the car off. We just got a foot of snow so I have not been able too look at it in depth yet. Do these cars have an adjustment on the clutch peddle itself ? I may throw a new clutch at it for preventative maintenance but I'm not 100% convinced its the problem.

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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby underscore » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:37 am

Does the clutch seem to stick more when it's really cold, and then fix itself once the engine has been hot for a while and everything has soaked up a bit of heat, or once it stops working it doesn't work for a while?
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby ___Scott___ » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:32 am

TDISyncro wrote:(any recommendations on manuals for these)

There are a few sites that have the Toyota repair manuals (a.k.a. BGB = Big Green Book) available. Gary has some good info in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29333&p=404736&hilit=bgb+online#p404736
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby Street_Chally73 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:38 am

It almost sounds like what I had with my Stealth. I'd bleed the hydraulic system, let it sit for a couple days, & then I could shift into all of the gears again with the engine running.

A couple more days later it would lock me out again, I'd let it sit for a while, & could eventually be able to get into a couple gears with the engine running before getting completely locked out.

I finally bit the bullet & dug deeper into the transaxle (figured it was a physical clutch malfunction from the start, but kept taking people's advice & did the easier things first)...Turns out one of the spring perches on the sprung disc had broken off & was affecting the disengagement every time it fell into the wrong spot (it was an OEM Exedy clutch assembly & the P.O. had receipts showing it was replaced ~12k miles ago)).

I'm not too sure how often that happens with the OEM discs on these cars, but perhaps that could be your issue, too.
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby TDISyncro » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:55 am

Underscore it does not seem to matter whether its been run a while or is cold. I drove it over an hour when I purchased it and it still had the same symptoms when I got home. One other thing I should mention is that I can't get the clutch to slip at all in any gear...even trying.

Scott Thanks for the info on the manuals

Very interesting Street chally. I've never heard of that happening before but it makes total sense....I bet hard as hell to diagnose as well.

Is Aisin a good brand of clutch ? I can get one on Amazon right now for the All trac for $113 shipped. I usually run Sachs clutches on my VW's but I was told to run an OEM clutch on a yota and from what research I've done I believe they make clutches for Toyota.

Its been in the twentys here but I'm hoping to get it into my friends garage next weekend. I have pulled dozens of transmissions on jettas/ golfs etc...easy peezy. Are these very difficult?

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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby phattyduck » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:58 pm

Trans and engine must be dropped together. Not an easy task. Aisin or Exedy will be your best bet for OEM-type clutches. See the 'drivetrain' section for trans-engine re-assembly.

I own two Camry Alltracs (one swapped with a 3s-gte, one waiting a BEAMS swap (NA, 200hp, 2.0L). Both rust-free California cars (VERY rare).

You can also fine more Camry specific info on the Camry sub-forum of Toyotanation (where I spend most of my forum time).

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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby Street_Chally73 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:25 pm

Yeah, I never really thought that I'd find a chunk of metal beating the crap out of the flywheel, clutch, & pressure plate when I pulled it apart.

Apparently we cannot post photos to the forum anymore with Tapatalk...bummer 'cause I found a couple photos of the carnage.
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby de_engineered » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:01 am

Sweet. I got a Camry All Trac recently too, same burgundy color. Welcome to the fold!
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby TDISyncro » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:26 am

Thanks for the info. A mechanic I know swears up and down I can remove a 4cyl manual transmission without pulling the engine/trans together...although its easier if you remove the subframe....but he says that that is not even totally necessary. Does that sound doable ? I'm still waiting on a manual I got off Ebay. Thanks
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby dusty » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:46 pm

welcome, I still have a Camry alltrac too, 1989 auto that I have raced, not as good looking as yours...lol
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Re: Picked up a clean camry alltrac

Postby phattyduck » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:37 pm

The FWD transmissions (Whether 4-cyl or V6) pop right off. The Alltrac transmission requires engine removal due to the transfer case.

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