What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

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What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby dragstang86 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:25 pm

I have been keeping an eye out for some time now for a clean, stock (or very close to stock) 1993. I have found a white one that is clean, with over 100k on chassis but engine has been rebuilt. The owner isn't "trying" to sell it but is open to selling it.

So my question is, what would be a fair price, good price or great price on such on clean, stock 1993 with over 100k on chassis? It is so seldom that one pops up for sale, it is hard to get a good grasp on a market price.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Mr Alltrac » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:47 pm

93 is a more sought after year, but a clean car with 100k on the chassis I wouldn't be surprised if that guy could get 7500-9k for that car. Depends on the enthusiast that's going after it tho.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby N8wrx » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:15 pm

I would agree with the above. Keep in mind these cars mostly have a lot of issues, mainly rust so its really almost like paper "collectable" goods. AKA condition condition condition. If hes only got 100k on the chassis but its as clean as the plate you eat off and all other items are in good working order i really wouldn't doubt 9k+ possible. There are some openly for sale but most of the time they are rotted out in one if not more locations or need some major work (engine blown, tranny blown, multiple suspension/brake repairs needed). Keep in mind limiting yourself to a 93 only is really hurting you as well because as far as most can tell i believe there were like 81?? (correct me if im wrong guys) made in 93. I believe (again correction may be needed) there are only 280 something in 92 and the majority of the rest 90/91. Maybe there is a specific reason you would like a 93 and thats cool but just wanted to let you know really how much of a needle in a haystack kinda thing a 93 is. If there looking to sell it only to a collector a 93 would be top dollar in clean condition, having it be stock your looking at even more. This is one of the main reasons im restoring the 92 i have back to original condition (reason being there are only 200 something in the whole US, minus cars in junk yards and already turned into cans.) and im a collector that will keep the car for the rest of my life.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Mr Alltrac » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:48 am

You are correct, 81 were sold in the us in 1993.

I have my own needle in a haystack and that's finding a metallic teal all trac :)
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Lamont » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:49 am

N8wrx wrote:I would agree with the above. Keep in mind these cars mostly have a lot of issues, mainly rust so its really almost like paper "collectable" goods. AKA condition condition condition. If hes only got 100k on the chassis but its as clean as the plate you eat off and all other items are in good working order i really wouldn't doubt 9k+ possible. There are some openly for sale but most of the time they are rotted out in one if not more locations or need some major work (engine blown, tranny blown, multiple suspension/brake repairs needed). Keep in mind limiting yourself to a 93 only is really hurting you as well because as far as most can tell i believe there were like 81?? (correct me if im wrong guys) made in 93. I believe (again correction may be needed) there are only 280 something in 92 and the majority of the rest 90/91. Maybe there is a specific reason you would like a 93 and thats cool but just wanted to let you know really how much of a needle in a haystack kinda thing a 93 is. If there looking to sell it only to a collector a 93 would be top dollar in clean condition, having it be stock your looking at even more. This is one of the main reasons im restoring the 92 i have back to original condition (reason being there are only 200 something in the whole US, minus cars in junk yards and already turned into cans.) and im a collector that will keep the car for the rest of my life.


To clear things up there were more 92-93 Alltrac/GTFOUR's produced world wide. Toyota had to make at least 5000 of each model year in order to compete in the WRC, but the numbers imported to the US were low for 92 and even lower for 93. Sales were not too great for the 90-91 model years because these cars were very expensive when new so Toyota loaded the US versions with all the bells and whistles like sunroof, system 10 stereo system, leather seats etc. to help justify the sticker price. HTH

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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby lumbercis » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:13 am

I'll believe a clean stock '93 exists when I see one. :|
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby dragstang86 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:54 pm

I understand the rarity of the 1993's which is exactly why I want one. I currently have a heavily modded 1992 that I would be selling and replacing with the 1993.

I'll give some more details on the car: It has about 180k on the chassis but only 60 on the engine. Enthusiast owned and spent much of it's life in Texas followed by a lot of sitting in a garage. Completely stock except for a 50 trim turbo and JDM transmission but all that still appears stock. Only issues are a dent from a bump in the garage, a small exhaust leak in the flex pipe, needs a new upper strut mount and a new nylon gear for the speedometer. He is willing to sell it as is, or fixed, when he gets around to it, for a higher price of course. Other than that it is said to be VERY clean inside and out with no rust. Reputable seller that is well known within the enthusiast community.

So what are you guys thinking a good price for it AS IS would be?
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby N8wrx » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:31 pm

Lamont wrote:
N8wrx wrote:I would agree with the above. Keep in mind these cars mostly have a lot of issues, mainly rust so its really almost like paper "collectable" goods. AKA condition condition condition. If hes only got 100k on the chassis but its as clean as the plate you eat off and all other items are in good working order i really wouldn't doubt 9k+ possible. There are some openly for sale but most of the time they are rotted out in one if not more locations or need some major work (engine blown, tranny blown, multiple suspension/brake repairs needed). Keep in mind limiting yourself to a 93 only is really hurting you as well because as far as most can tell i believe there were like 81?? (correct me if im wrong guys) made in 93. I believe (again correction may be needed) there are only 280 something in 92 and the majority of the rest 90/91. Maybe there is a specific reason you would like a 93 and thats cool but just wanted to let you know really how much of a needle in a haystack kinda thing a 93 is. If there looking to sell it only to a collector a 93 would be top dollar in clean condition, having it be stock your looking at even more. This is one of the main reasons im restoring the 92 i have back to original condition (reason being there are only 200 something in the whole US, minus cars in junk yards and already turned into cans.) and im a collector that will keep the car for the rest of my life.


To clear things up there were more 92-93 Alltrac/GTFOUR's produced world wide. Toyota had to make at least 5000 of each model year in order to compete in the WRC, but the numbers imported to the US were low for 92 and even lower for 93. Sales were not too great for the 90-91 model years because these cars were very expensive when new so Toyota loaded the US versions with all the bells and whistles like sunroof, system 10 stereo system, leather seats etc. to help justify the sticker price. HTH

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Yea my post was more so aimed at the "All-Trac" vs a gt4 as gt4's are not elligable for import as full cars.

dragstang86 wrote:I understand the rarity of the 1993's which is exactly why I want one. I currently have a heavily modded 1992 that I would be selling and replacing with the 1993.

I'll give some more details on the car: It has about 180k on the chassis but only 60 on the engine. Enthusiast owned and spent much of it's life in Texas followed by a lot of sitting in a garage. Completely stock except for a 50 trim turbo and JDM transmission but all that still appears stock. Only issues are a dent from a bump in the garage, a small exhaust leak in the flex pipe, needs a new upper strut mount and a new nylon gear for the speedometer. He is willing to sell it as is, or fixed, when he gets around to it, for a higher price of course. Other than that it is said to be VERY clean inside and out with no rust. Reputable seller that is well known within the enthusiast community.

So what are you guys thinking a good price for it AS IS would be?


Well with this info from a collectors stand point it is considered far from stock even though appearance would be similar, this drops the value for a collector stand point but may increase the value for a enthusiast buyer looking to modify the car anyway (all really depends on the buyer per say) St205 tranny is a much better option but in my case as im a collector i will be rebuilding my original st185 transmission as this is what my personal goal is. It also needs body work and other work tho the body is in above average condition. As far as mileage goes on a car, i usually base my values off the true chassis miles not miles on a new engine as a car is not only a engine. I would say for a car in this range (my opinion and others may vary) your looking in the 6,000-7,500 range AS IS. This is pretty rough as i havent truely seen/ driven/ heard the car itself.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby underscore » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:04 pm

N8wrx wrote:Yea my post was more so aimed at the "All-Trac" vs a gt4 as gt4's are not elligable for import as full cars.


You're getting pretty close though, isn't the magic age 25 years down there?
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby N8wrx » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:45 pm

I only know this because i import cars as well but unfortunately this does not apply to cars that are built in the US. So for an example i will use the Nissan skyline (r32 and r34 models are banned for life for importing BTW, so ill use a r33 for example) If a skyline r33 is 25 years old you are allowed to import these as a Nissan skyline of any kind was never produced in the U.S.A under any name (this is associated via chassis so the new GTR doesnt classify as the same car. Hence why a r32 and r34 cant be imported and a r33 could be because they have different chassis classifications). As for cars like the gt4/alltrac or for another example a toyota supra these cars are not eligable for import as they were also built in the U.S. (the name being all trac vs gt4 has no effect, it is considered to a RI as the same car) it would be the same if there never was an all-trac version released in the U.S and only a FWD model as they share the same chassis design they are deemed non-eligable.

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N8wrx wrote:Yea my post was more so aimed at the "All-Trac" vs a gt4 as gt4's are not elligable for import as full cars.


You're getting pretty close though, isn't the magic age 25 years down there?


PS: This doesnt mean its IMPOSSIBLE to import them, there is a slight loop hole (legal loophole) but it is expensive and the car is still outlawed on standard U.S. roads. Your allowed to import cars for "racing" purposes, in order to do this is a very involved process with a RI and extreamly expensive. There is also a yearly fee they tack on as a sort of tax to do this and as i said you cant drive the car on any U.S. road they have to be trailered and cant be legally registered in any state.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby underscore » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:59 pm

I could've sworn the R32 was legal down there once it passed 25 years, I know of a few that were local to me that were sold to Americans in TX, WA and CA.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby mx6er2587 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:44 pm

yep 25 years is the magic number. Then the number of hoops you have to jump through while juggling flaming chainsaws goes way down.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Mr Alltrac » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:10 am

Yeah at the beginning of this year I know someone had the first street legal r32 imported to Washington. I'm gonna give it a try next year when the 1990 celicas can be imported.

Just out of curiosity, in the uk they sold a lhd gt4, do you think you could get away with importing these?
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby N8wrx » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:26 am

Most r32's or r34's that are in the states are either grey market cars or in the case of the majority of the r32's they were imported prior to the ban being put in place. No new r32's or r34's will ever be allowed past a RI (the inspector who maintains the strict list of items in every shipping container). There are what they call "grey market" cars which is basically shipping the body and the guts of the car in different containers on different ships. Most RI's will not even let a chassis by unless its cut into pieces (hence why you see front and rear clips for sale so often). No gt4 would be allowed past a RI either, the only way i could think of to get one here would be a grey market car which is illegal or shipping it to Canada and somehow trying to drive it across the boarder trying to pass it off as a normal commuter car this again is illegal.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby xxwiseguyxx781 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:05 am

I currently own a 1993 alltrac celica black. I got it from my brother in law only had to wait ten years for him to sell it to me. I would never part with the car. Its not a DD i leave it in my garage and use it more of a weekends and holidays car.
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