What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby crymson » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:35 pm

I paid $4500 a year ago for a 93 with 99k miles. It has a bad paint job, a bad body kit, hadn't been through emissions in 7 years, threw a check engine light, e-break light was always on, door sensor light was always on, something is wrong with the ABS, the tires are shot, the rear window leaks, etc, etc. But, it's rust free, compression is acceptable (but a little low), the turbo spools and has very little play, and the interior is also in acceptable shape.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby mx6er2587 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:04 pm

N8wrx wrote:Most r32's or r34's that are in the states are either grey market cars or in the case of the majority of the r32's they were imported prior to the ban being put in place. No new r32's or r34's will ever be allowed past a RI (the inspector who maintains the strict list of items in every shipping container). There are what they call "grey market" cars which is basically shipping the body and the guts of the car in different containers on different ships. Most RI's will not even let a chassis by unless its cut into pieces (hence why you see front and rear clips for sale so often). No gt4 would be allowed past a RI either, the only way i could think of to get one here would be a grey market car which is illegal or shipping it to Canada and somehow trying to drive it across the boarder trying to pass it off as a normal commuter car this again is illegal.


the oldest R32 is now over 25 years old. You no longer have to go through an RI to bring them into the country.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby N8wrx » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:51 pm

mx6er2587 wrote:the oldest R32 is now over 25 years old. You no longer have to go through an RI to bring them into the country.


Anything imported to the states has to go through a RI, there are no exceptions. Even a car 25 years old needs to be passed via a RI. A r32 and r34 is a exception to the 25 year rule as it has been federally outlawed for import EVER. There will never be any NEW whole r32's or r34's allowed to cross into the states. Grey market is a different story but is also illegal. I import cars so i know this is the 100% truth as i deal with RI's whenever parts/ cars are shipped here.

If you want some background on R32's and R34's and the reason they were banned for life the cause is the original company that started importing them years ago called Motorex. This company crash tested R32s to figure out the DOT safety requirements needed. They patented this information so no one has access to it. They then wanted to import R34's as they were becoming more popular than the other skyline models for obvious reasons and would make them more $. This next part is where they screwed everyone else over, they didn't go through the same process with the r34 as they did with the r32 and basically tried to pass the cars off as the same chassis so they didn't have to go through the expense and time for the new models. They were telling RI's the r32 shared the same electrical system as the r34 which it didn't and one RI got wind of this. They ended up banning R32 and R34 cars for life from importing because of this lie they were told. So as a exception to the rule none will ever be allowed past the port. There are however many Motorex cars still in the states along with cars that were imported prior to this ban (my friend actually has 5 of these in his garage) and grey market cars. If the car is a Motorex car with a valid U.S. vin it is fully legal and registrable. If the car is grey market and found it will be crushed. If the car is in prior to the ban but not with a legal VIN it can only be used as a offroad car and registering it or not providing import documentation if asked to, it will also be crushed if found.

Heres some pics from my buddies barn to prove to you i truly do know what im talking about... (keep in mind these are prior to ban, non motorex, offroad only cars. So they have been sitting for a while.)

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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby peteleetzor » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:06 pm

anyways getting back on to topic,

I got really lucky my 93, all stock/rust free with roughly 120k miles cost me 4.2k craiglist powaaaaa 8)

anyways I wouldnt be surprised if there is some in better condition that can sell for 7k+ And besides I thinks going to be pretty rare to find one on CL or auto dealer site. Actaully I think maybe close to a 1/3 of all the 93 alltracs can be tracked on the project page anyway.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby crymson » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:11 pm

We accounted for 15-20 of them a few months ago. I would suspect that's at least 1/3 of the remaining USDM 93's.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Spectra1 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:31 pm

I paid $7500 for my white 93 back in November. Interior was in great shape, even came with the oem floor mats. Body only has a small spot of surface rust on one of the rear fenders and the front bumper has some peeling paint. The rear diff mount needs replacing and the front wheel bearings are on their way out but for the most part it is in great shape.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby dragstang86 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:02 pm

Spectra1 wrote:I paid $7500 for my white 93 back in November. Interior was in great shape, even came with the oem floor mats. Body only has a small spot of surface rust on one of the rear fenders and the front bumper has some peeling paint. The rear diff mount needs replacing and the front wheel bearings are on their way out but for the most part it is in great shape.


How many miles were on it if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Meenya » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:23 pm

I've read your post twice and I'm a bit confused...my basic understanding about importing from Canada to US was that there are 2 forms needed.
Emission standards
FMVSS DOT safety.
And once the car becomes over 25 years old the rules become more relaxed.
Here is what I'm confused about...first alltracs were never made in US...do you mean sold in US?
And since alltracs were sold in US and Canada shouldn't that be easier to import a GTFour? I could easily put NA front bar and bumper and the car meets the DOT crash etc.

I'm just trying to collect information and educate myself as I'm thinking of importing my GTFour to US when it becomes 25 years old


N8wrx wrote:I only know this because i import cars as well but unfortunately this does not apply to cars that are built in the US. So for an example i will use the Nissan skyline (r32 and r34 models are banned for life for importing BTW, so ill use a r33 for example) If a skyline r33 is 25 years old you are allowed to import these as a Nissan skyline of any kind was never produced in the U.S.A under any name (this is associated via chassis so the new GTR doesnt classify as the same car. Hence why a r32 and r34 cant be imported and a r33 could be because they have different chassis classifications). As for cars like the gt4/alltrac or for another example a toyota supra these cars are not eligable for import as they were also built in the U.S. (the name being all trac vs gt4 has no effect, it is considered to a RI as the same car) it would be the same if there never was an all-trac version released in the U.S and only a FWD model as they share the same chassis design they are deemed non-eligable.

underscore wrote:
N8wrx wrote:Yea my post was more so aimed at the "All-Trac" vs a gt4 as gt4's are not elligable for import as full cars.


You're getting pretty close though, isn't the magic age 25 years down there?


PS: This doesnt mean its IMPOSSIBLE to import them, there is a slight loop hole (legal loophole) but it is expensive and the car is still outlawed on standard U.S. roads. Your allowed to import cars for "racing" purposes, in order to do this is a very involved process with a RI and extreamly expensive. There is also a yearly fee they tack on as a sort of tax to do this and as i said you cant drive the car on any U.S. road they have to be trailered and cant be legally registered in any state.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby sinerasis » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:32 pm

N8wrx wrote:They patented this information so no one has access to it.

I'm not doubting your experience with importing cars or whatever, and I know this is off topic, but just to clear this up so no one gets the wrong idea... that's exactly opposite of how patents work.

Getting a patent on something makes the information 100% public but protected so the patent owner retains rights. A trade secret would be something you keep private so others wouldn't see it. You cannot patent something and keep it secret. I'll let you think about why that makes perfect sense.

Crash test data wouldn't be something you'd patent anyway.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby mx6er2587 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:02 pm

N8wrx wrote:
mx6er2587 wrote:the oldest R32 is now over 25 years old. You no longer have to go through an RI to bring them into the country.


Anything imported to the states has to go through a RI, there are no exceptions. Even a car 25 years old needs to be passed via a RI. A r32 and r34 is a exception to the 25 year rule as it has been federally outlawed for import EVER. There will never be any NEW whole r32's or r34's allowed to cross into the states. Grey market is a different story but is also illegal. I import cars so i know this is the 100% truth as i deal with RI's whenever parts/ cars are shipped here.



I'm sorry that's just wrong.

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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Spectra1 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:08 pm

dragstang86 wrote:
Spectra1 wrote:I paid $7500 for my white 93 back in November. Interior was in great shape, even came with the oem floor mats. Body only has a small spot of surface rust on one of the rear fenders and the front bumper has some peeling paint. The rear diff mount needs replacing and the front wheel bearings are on their way out but for the most part it is in great shape.


How many miles were on it if you don't mind me asking?


It had around 142k on the chassis.
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby Hotrodhendrix » Tue May 06, 2014 6:54 pm

Where is that pic of someone "importing" a st205 from Canada on trailer covered haha. Im sure it ended up a GTS :P
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby alltracman78 » Tue May 27, 2014 11:47 pm

Mr Alltrac wrote:You are correct, 81 were sold in the us in 1993.

I have my own needle in a haystack and that's finding a metallic teal all trac :)


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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby crymson » Wed May 28, 2014 12:15 am

Do you know which color code that it? It might be the same one mine is supposed to be
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Re: What to expect to pay for a clean, stock 1993?

Postby alltracman78 » Wed May 28, 2014 12:40 pm

It probably is, there's not a lot of colors for the 93.

I don't know the code off the top of my head. I don't mind checking for you as long as I can remember to; the car is normally under a cover in my garage.
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