Supercharged 1mzfe alltrac-would you do it

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Postby Fat Trac » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:18 am

if you could do a v6 supercharged swap into an alltrac, that would be the car for autox, hands down.
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Postby SBCelicaGT » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:22 pm

1stGenAllTrac wrote:
SBCelicaGT wrote:
It's not so much the numbers, but the range of numbers. A larger engine will have a larger power band and for a street car, this is very important.

With tubular exhaust manifolds, aluminum block, and no turbo, the 1MZ-FE is pretty damn close, if not lighter than a complete 3S-GTE.


well the TTE cars were making ~300hp and gobs of torque (700+ if i recall, or i might just be hallucinating again) so i wasnt just speaking in peak HP #s.. I also had an article in a Turbo magazine with the 3sgte in a supra JGTC car in lieu of the 2jz , since they saved weight, could slide the weight behind the front wheels, and ended up with similar engine output .

.. and i wasnt trying to say its not interesting either. I'm going to go read those links on the mr2 forums for curiosity's sake. :P


You're probably hallucinating. I'd wager the torque peak was somewhere in the 400-450 range. However, again, you are alluding to a race car where the rev range is higher than what you see on the street. How much power does that engine make BEFORE the turbo kicks in at 2500, or 3000rpm?

I'm a bit bemused by your reference to the boat anchor 2JZGTE engine as it has nothing to do with the comparison of the 3SGTE to 1MZFE. Again, the JGTC reference is for a RACE CAR. Race cars don't putter around in traffic (well, unless there’s a full course yellow).

Look up the dyno chart of a supercharged 1MZ-FE and compare it to a modified 3SGTE with similar peak power. You will see the 1MZ-FE will have a larger, flatter, power band. For reasonable street horsepower goals (under 300whp), the 1MZ-FE will be much easier to drive as you won’t need to rev the piss out of it to get the car to move. Does that mean it will be faster on the track? Who cares as that’s not the point I am making.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:45 pm

TTE and rally cars.com both report the st185 of having 600lb tq.

The 3s with its ct26 or ct20b are not bad to drive since they don't have near as much lag as many other turbos.

For and I4 the 3s has a decent powerband when tuned right. At least till big cams and a monster turbo are fitted.

Out of all the engines that are not from the celica to put in a Celica, I would concider this new TC engine.

People are producing good numbers and great 1/4 mile times with them.
The only reason I would concider it is the weight. All aluminum engine 2.4L. And if it can make 400 crank HP reliably, then I am all for it.
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Postby SuperWhite92 » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:37 pm

the thing I don't like about the tC engine is that it's ridiculously undersquare
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Postby db » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:26 pm

96 mm stroke vs 88.5 mm bore. Sounds like it could use a bit of boring out.
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Postby fsmtnbiker » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:24 pm

SuperWhite92 wrote:the thing I don't like about the tC engine is that it's ridiculously undersquare


So is a B18C1/5 (81mm bore and 87.2mm stroke) - What's the problem?
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Postby pepper » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:54 am

InitialD93 wrote:v6 is too wide, it wont clear the rear drive part of the tranny


Didn't Adrian (I think that was the name) in Santa Barbara drop a v-6 into his alltrac a couple years ago? I remember reading about it on the old board. And I thought it still remained awd?

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:41 am

Read the sig of CB celica. :P
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Postby pepper » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:08 pm

CMS-GT4 wrote:Read the sig of CB celica. :P


Open mouth, insert foot :oops:

I blew that one, didn't I LOL! That's what I get for not paying closer attention.

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Postby SBCelicaGT » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:35 am

Ya know.. you might just be able to make this work:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v232/sbce ... er%20Diff/

I'll bet, with the right parts, that center diff will bolt right up to an E153 transaxle(MR2 Turbo and Camry V6). Then it would be a matter of the drive shaft connection, and then using the right front axles. In this case, you would want the inner splines from an MR2 Turbo and the rest of the axle would be from an Alltrac.

So... who's going to be the first to do it?
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Postby 1stGenAllTrac » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:03 pm

SBCelicaGT wrote:You're probably hallucinating. I'd wager the torque peak was somewhere in the 400-450 range. However, again, you are alluding to a race car where the rev range is higher than what you see on the street. How much power does that engine make BEFORE the turbo kicks in at 2500, or 3000rpm?

I'm a bit bemused by your reference to the boat anchor 2JZGTE engine as it has nothing to do with the comparison of the 3SGTE to 1MZFE. Again, the JGTC reference is for a RACE CAR. Race cars don't putter around in traffic (well, unless there’s a full course yellow).

Look up the dyno chart of a supercharged 1MZ-FE and compare it to a modified 3SGTE with similar peak power. You will see the 1MZ-FE will have a larger, flatter, power band. For reasonable street horsepower goals (under 300whp), the 1MZ-FE will be much easier to drive as you won’t need to rev the piss out of it to get the car to move. Does that mean it will be faster on the track? Who cares as that’s not the point I am making.


if you're driving it on the street in stop and go traffic all the time, then why does it matter if you have 100 ft/lbs of torque or 500 ft/lbs. buy a geo to commute with.
i'm sorry if i *assumed* that the swap would be for more than to show off some mad fabrication skills.

in any case, it would be different and it would be neat to see so someone tackle it and then we can stop bench racing and see if the thing actually performs well 8)
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:10 pm

Whats teh details of that center diff? How fast is it to react? What is the split/ tq specs etc../?
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Postby SBCelicaGT » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:15 pm

1stGenAllTrac wrote:
SBCelicaGT wrote:You're probably hallucinating. I'd wager the torque peak was somewhere in the 400-450 range. However, again, you are alluding to a race car where the rev range is higher than what you see on the street. How much power does that engine make BEFORE the turbo kicks in at 2500, or 3000rpm?

I'm a bit bemused by your reference to the boat anchor 2JZGTE engine as it has nothing to do with the comparison of the 3SGTE to 1MZFE. Again, the JGTC reference is for a RACE CAR. Race cars don't putter around in traffic (well, unless there’s a full course yellow).

Look up the dyno chart of a supercharged 1MZ-FE and compare it to a modified 3SGTE with similar peak power. You will see the 1MZ-FE will have a larger, flatter, power band. For reasonable street horsepower goals (under 300whp), the 1MZ-FE will be much easier to drive as you won’t need to rev the piss out of it to get the car to move. Does that mean it will be faster on the track? Who cares as that’s not the point I am making.


if you're driving it on the street in stop and go traffic all the time, then why does it matter if you have 100 ft/lbs of torque or 500 ft/lbs. buy a geo to commute with.
i'm sorry if i *assumed* that the swap would be for more than to show off some mad fabrication skills.


in any case, it would be different and it would be neat to see so someone tackle it and then we can stop bench racing and see if the thing actually performs well 8)


Holy crap, you're clueless. Thanks for playing chief. :crazy:
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Postby GMan » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:01 am

> SBCelicaGT

Hi Adrian Avgerinos;

> Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:35 am

> http://photobucket.com/albums/v232/sbce ... er%20Diff/

Thanks for the pics.

> Ya know.. you might just be able to make this work:

It is Possible. parts, patience and Money ? :-)

> So... who's going to be the first to do it?
> Location: Santa Barbara, CA

My bet is someone in CA. :-)
They have all the custom shops ?

How cramped does the Highlander engine compartment look compared
to an All_Trac ? How does the rear ex manifold route ?

It certainly would be a Big proejct.

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