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Edit: don't be like this when you buy your car (ST185 POWER)

Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Mon May 15, 2006 9:25 pm

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I should delete this crap, but i figured id lock it and sticky it. This is for others to see and learn off of when they think that an alltrac is a cheap, easy project car. if you want that, go buy a subaru or a honda
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alright i am getting my alltrac ST185 this summer and i want to put in about 600-700 HP within the next year, what will i be looking to spend on this whole thing and this is the list of parts i am already looking to get what else will i need?

JE pistons
HKS valve springs
HKS camshaft
HKS flywheel
Garrett t28RS turbo
HKS (FMIC)
Turbo manifold and 3" down pipe
cold air intake
new fuel lines
MSD ignition
HKS 680cc injectors
unorthodox pulleys
APC gears
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Mon May 15, 2006 9:31 pm

and i am talking about just engine mods i know i will need a better clutch and LSD and gauges and boost control and a turbo timer....
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Postby db » Mon May 15, 2006 9:39 pm

You'll need a turbo bigger than the 28RS.

You don't want to use anything from APC.

Say no to underdrive pulleys.

Don't forget a new, upgraded clutch.

Where's the fuel pressure regulator, aftermarket fuel pump, and programmable engine management system?

Fuel injectors. Look more towards 1000cc and bigger.

Judging from your list, you really haven't done much research. I'd start there if I were you. :smokes:
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Postby Meurz » Mon May 15, 2006 9:56 pm

Indeed.. That list won't even get you up to 350.
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Postby Gary » Tue May 16, 2006 12:38 am

And see Perry's mod list for example.
That's about 500 whp.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community ... =58519&ck=


Forget turbo timer, what you really need for 600-700 hp are big turbo,
big boost, strong internals, high flow head and intake manifold, reliable
ignition system, capable fuel system, intercooler, exhaust and stand alone EMS.
That should do the job.
Oh... and make sure you have a really really deep pocket :wink:

Here are some good reads
http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/primers.htm
http://www.enginelogics.com/embasics.html
http://www.turbomustangs.com/turbotech/main.htm
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Tue May 16, 2006 12:53 am

thanks guys and i have done a lot of research and i have more things on the list but i was wondering what you guys thought about like a 650 HP engine
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Tue May 16, 2006 1:34 am

what turbo should i go with?
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Tue May 16, 2006 9:08 pm

alright i switched my idea a little bit because i realized it would cost me 5500 dollars just to build my engine before the turbo, FMIC, EMS,FMS, ans so on which i dont have the money for... so i decided i want more around 550HP which i probably could still do under 11 seconds with, so i decided i want a GT3582R - 714568 - 3 garrett turbo, what CC injectors should i be looking for like 840cc? and about waste gate should i get a HKS GT series, and i heard BOV dont work on an alltrac without a piggy back or a full EMS is this true?
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Postby Gary » Tue May 16, 2006 10:24 pm

CelicaGT-SSport wrote:alright i switched my idea a little bit because i realized it would cost me 5500 dollars just to build my engine before the turbo, FMIC, EMS,FMS, ans so on which i dont have the money for... so i decided i want more around 550HP which i probably could still do under 11 seconds with, so i decided i want a GT3582R - 714568 - 3 garrett turbo, what CC injectors should i be looking for like 840cc? and about waste gate should i get a HKS GT series, and i heard BOV dont work on an alltrac without a piggy back or a full EMS is this true?


Seriously, I would suggest you to do more research.
How much do you think a 4 cylinder engine pushing 550hp cost?
Who will tune the car? Are you going to pay someone to do it?
You will need more than 550hp to be in 10's.
Try to read more about high performance turbocharged engine, turbo sizing, fueling, etc...

About the BOV, that's not true.
I have a BOV for years.
It will work but it'll vent off metered air and causes engine to run rich.
Piggy back has nothing to do with it, unless it converts stock air metering system to speed density.
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Postby Razzo » Tue May 16, 2006 10:37 pm

550 awhp probally would get you in the 10s, but if you want 550 from the crank....good luck...probally a low 12, high 11s
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Wed May 17, 2006 12:11 am

i am talking about 550 at the wheels... and i used a HP calulator and it said with a car that weighs about 3400LBS which would be about the weight of the car with a driver and it would run a 10.8 and i am pretty experienced so im guessing i could run about a 10.9 maybe 11 flat and because and AT is AWD i dont think i will be wasting to much time burning rubber.... and i can do all the engine work, trans work, and so on myself... I would need someone to tune an EMS if it is necessary, and also the FMS... and what else do i need to know... what are all the things i will have to upgrade... and to what extent
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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Wed May 17, 2006 12:16 am

does anyone have a good site that list the things i will have to do for a 500+ HP engine, in a good order... because i know what im doing but i dont know what order and so on
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Postby theUNYTEDone » Wed May 17, 2006 10:46 am

CelicaGT-SSport wrote:does anyone have a good site that list the things i will have to do for a 500+ HP engine, in a good order... because i know what im doing but i dont know what order and so on


look into perry's setup and build from there...dont have people try and just give you some magic words to follow.

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Postby CelicaGT-SSport » Wed May 17, 2006 11:20 pm

alright just a question... how hard is it to put a 1UZ-E engine into one of these cars. because i know it has been done
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Postby OlyST185 » Wed May 17, 2006 11:54 pm

its all about customization, custom engine supports, custom turbo, custom transmission-drive train to name a few...
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