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Re: Project CMS: 100 pages and still going

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:57 pm

I put the winter tires on today. I read good reviews on these maxxis in the snow, I will give better feedback once we get some more. I also washed the car today, but I will make a point to avoid touch washes in the future. I had been doing touchless. I noticed a couple of swirls on the car. Its not bad, and likely only I see them, but I will correct this in the spring. Also, one of my wheels is curbed, so when its spring I plan on fixing the rough areas then repainting all the wheels I wil use for winter.

Here is also a pic of my car next to a modern vette. The 185 does not look so dated, even next to one of these.

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Re: Project CMS: 100 pages and still going

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:22 pm

So today was my first test drive with the new tires. They are 215/40/17. They look skinny as hell, but the car can really scoot now by going to a lighter smaller setup. It was already quick before. I will have to take this into consideration with my future plans.
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Re: Project CMS: 100 pages and still going

Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:36 pm

So I decided I really need a horn in this car, I was going to get the NRG horn extension, but then I still have to make a mounting point, and I don't see the point in spending $50 for a button. I think instead I am going to just drill a hole near the steering wheel, then install this. I will just need to figure out where the horn wires are.
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The other thing I need to sort is the washer motor isn't coming on. Its either dead, or isn't hooked up for some reason. I want this working before we get snow again.

Those are the really only major things I need to do while its still cold out. I am still trying to sell my front 205 calipers, but no takers yet. That will all determine what I do for my fronts. I do have the drawing still for the bracket of the sti rotor conversion, so that is something to still consider.
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Re: Project CMS: 100 pages and still going

Postby monkracing29 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:21 pm

CMS-GT4 wrote:I got the last set from from the guy who got them made in the UK years ago. They were made for our cars. I had intentions of making a full lip from them, but I am afraid they are going to get broken on my driveway, thanks to the way they do water drainage here. I am still debating on what I am going to do, just because of that.

I hate the way they have the set up out here for the driveways.... :cry:
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Re: Project CMS: 100 pages and still going

Postby phattyduck » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:08 pm

CMS-GT4 wrote:So I decided I really need a horn in this car, I was going to get the NRG horn extension, but then I still have to make a mounting point, and I don't see the point in spending $50 for a button. I think instead I am going to just drill a hole near the steering wheel, then install this. I will just need to figure out where the horn wires are.
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Watch out - that's a latching switch... that will turn the horn on with one push and turn it off again after a second push. :doh:

You want a momentary switch (though, otherwise that looks like a good option).

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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:13 pm

Yeah I noticed that, and found another one. Thursday afternoon, since I won't be driving the car till tues, I will look into working on my horn.

BTW I met up with monkracing29 today. Another 185 owner close to me. We are going to have to organize some car outings in the near future if the weather stays this nice.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:58 pm

So I have a working horn now. I ended up pulling off the steering wheel and the console cover but it went fairly quick. I had searched online and these forums and it seems most do not know how to make the horn work on these cars after installing an aftermarket wheel. Well here is what I came up with.

This is the back of the momo hub. It is designed to make contact with the horn circuit to create a ground which turns on the horn when the button is pushed.
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Here is the plug. As it turns out, I had already cut the green wire when I first put the wheel on many years ago. But since I had no idea what to do, I never hooked anything up. Had I not already cut the wire, I would had just unpinned it and connected another wire to extend it. The wire does need to be extended.
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Next I used a piece of smooth conductive metal. Luckily this was already drilled. It was originally a hanger for a curtain rod. I wanted something smooth as to not wear on the contact plate so much. It may not matter. There was also an open threaded hole right here for placing this. I cut the metal, bent it to fit and also to have enough tension against the contact plate. And then done. Reinstalled the wheel. I was not sure what torque to use, but I gave it some extra to make sure it was solid.
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Next project is my washer sprayer pump.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:00 pm

So I had been thinking of my brake solutions, and while I will likely not be doing my brakes till spring its nice to plan ahead.
Some noticed I was trying to sell my 205 calipers, but its seems harder than planned. I was looking at a st of stoptechs from a 7th gen celica. I had stumbled across some information when researching my 205 setup that lead me to think I could easily use this. I was reading the 7th gen forums and the 6th gen forums looking at hints for new rotor options since their dimensions were close. Well its closer than I expected.
These threads show that 185 brakes fit the st 6th gen, and the 7th gens fit them as well with a little adjustment. So therefore they should fit the 185 pretty easily.

185 brakes on 20x
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45705

y2k brakes on 20x
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=55707

As some know I am really busy trying to launch my new business and career this year and that is the priority. I still want to finish my car, but if I can do it simpler and with less fabrication I will. I am likely not doing as much to the car this year just due to my own time.

My other quick option was to use the revolution brake route or even the porsche caliper route. I would have likely gone wiht revolution just cause it leaves me the flexibility to convert to 5x114 hubs if I wanted to. The porsche caliper idea could work with the supra rotors but it needs to be offset by 3mm and lower by around 1.5mm, though it would make due without changing the height.

Most likely I am going to be using the 205 calipers just because that is what I have.
Part of this choice is using my rav4 spindle or my 185 spindle.
With no bracket I can run 12" rotors on the 185 spindle and 334mm rotors on the rav4 spindle. The hangup on the rav4 spindle is it seems I need a shallow setup to keep from hitting the ball joint. I need to take some more measurements before I decide, but I have a few other factors weigh out.

Over the past couple of years I have collected dimensions from a range of rotors I might use for my project.

st185: 278/46/25/54

st205 315/59/32/55

st20x: 275/49/28

y2k celica gt: 275/49.5/25/55

WRX: 295/57.5/23/58

c4 vette: 330/56/28/71

c5 vette: 325/46/32/71

sti: 326/53/30/58

is300 296/51/32/62

is350: 333/50.8/30/62

supra: 323/50/30/62

svx: 301/57/28/58

camaro: 303/52.5/32/71

porsche 930 81-85: 304/57/32

rav4 94-5/00: 302/46/18/62

rav4 5/00+: 275/49/25/62

LS460: 357.1/60.5/34/62

ls430 (v8): 315/50.25/30/62
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:28 am

I decided to take some measurements of my 185 and rav4 spindles today. There are some items that are very close. I did all this with a digital caliper. They may not be perfect but they give me an idea of which is bigger and where. I tried to keep this as accurate as I could, but don't take it all to heart other than the differences. From what I gathered I might gain a little more clearance from the ball joint on the rav4 spindle. I just have to remove the dust shield as its huge and blocks any decent sized rotors. It also looks like this would increase my front track some. My main concern though is the tierod end is a bit longer than the alltrac version. Its hard to measure but it increases over 5mm which may be felt in my steering speed. If I can not compensate for that, then I would likely just swap the rav4 hub over to the 185 spindle.

St185 rav4
caliper ear
thickness: 11.26 12.32

hub thickness 11.68 11.68

stud length
to hub face 29.3 31.46

caliper ear
face to
hub face 56.74 56.74

caliper ear
face to
top ball
joint hole 74.42 74.42

bottom of
strut hole
to end of studs 172 187.42

back of
caliper ear
to studs end 97.42 99.79

ball joint
tabs to studs 134 139

Here they are side by side.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby MWP » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:28 am

Nice work!
Ill be watching your progress with this.
Changing to 5x114.3 is something i want to do along with changing to 205 front calipers as ill need new wheels to run those anyway.

There was a complete RAV4 at a u-pull-it wrecker a few months back.
Im quite annoyed i didnt take the spindles/hubs. Would have only cost me $80 or so :(

Looking at the above photo, the RAV4 spindle doesnt look as beefy as the 185 (strut connection ear for example)?
Does it just appear like that in the photo, or is it like that in real life too?
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:49 am

It is not as beefy as the 185 spindle.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby MWP » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:53 am

Hrm, i wonder if thats something to worry about :/
Strange since the RAV4 is an offroad (well kinda) vehicle.

Although itll be a plus for reducing unsprung weight.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:16 pm

It would be a plus if it is indeed lighter, but I am more concerned with the longer arm for the tie tod end. That makes me consider keeping my 185 spindle most of all.

I am kind of torn right now. I wanted to double check my caliper clearance. I do prefer not having to use a backet at all and just bolt up my 205 calipers with a simple rotor solution. However I think I have to run a 10mm spacer in the front to clear my calipers due to the way my wheel spokes concave in. I have to run a larger setup.

I was looking at the pics of the russian caldina 205 caliper bracket and I realised they had drilled new holes higher on the caliper ears and cut the oem caliper ears off. I am not sure if this type of caliper surgery is worth the trouble, but it would allow for a smaller bracket where one could run stock 205 rotors or supra rotors.

All this is why I was hoping to sell them. I have too much to think about and weigh out. I will likely wait till spring when the weather is good enough for the Z that way I can take apart the 185's spindles and build it all up how I want it. I am going to leave my 205 calipers for sale, because if they do sell, then it will make my life easier. If they don't I will worry about this when I can take the car apart.
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby MWP » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:26 am

The tie rod arms will have to be quite a bit longer (way more than 5mm) for you to notice the difference in steering speed during normal, or even spirited driving.
The biggest change they will make is on steering lock angle which isnt a big problem... youll just need to do more 3-point turns :P
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Re: Project CMS: Winter time and the drivin' is easy

Postby athousandleaves » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:13 am

MWP wrote:The tie rod arms will have to be quite a bit longer (way more than 5mm) for you to notice the difference in steering speed during normal, or even spirited driving.
The biggest change they will make is on steering lock angle which isnt a big problem... youll just need to do more 3-point turns :P


If thats the case then why are those URAS "steering up spacers" so tiny?
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