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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby robolt » Thu May 03, 2012 4:53 pm

I am keeping mine natural. Seemed much simpler and I like them.

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I ordered my rebuild kits from the UK; warning they are fairly pricey for OEM Toyota.
Remember 2 different caliper were available on the ST205.
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 06, 2012 3:14 pm

I have heard two rumors on that. I have heard UK models had two caliper options, but the Japanese calipers were the same for all years. I do not know where my calipers are from, so I am not sure what I will pick. I did find on an mr2 board that the 205 calipers were the same as the r32 calipers. It claimed same 40mm pistons. I would like to see more data on the subject.
I wonder if there is any info on the caliper that indicates what version it was.

I ran across some interesting info last night. The rav4 now has a 6speed manual. Its on its turbo disel models. The final drive and first two gears and final drive are similar to the gtfour ratios. Since the gtfour box can be mated the the v6. See the thread about the awd scion using this setup. I wonder if the 6speed might be modified to bolt up as well. They have a new diff setup as well. I am not sure how good it is, but it might be worth reading into.

http://content.toyota.co.nz/toyota/new_ ... 0specs.pdf
http://www.aisin-ai.co.jp/english/products/ff.html

EDIT:
I was looking at toyodiy's new cross reference feature and it looks like only rhd models might be different. I will do more research.

Market Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram
Japan 09/1993-07/1999 TOYOTA CELICA ST20* 47-05: FRONT DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
02/1994-07/1999 ST205-BLMVZ GT4, JPN, LB, 3SGTE, MTM 47-05 47-05
Europe 11/1993-07/1999 TOYOTA CELICA AT200,ST20* 47-05: FRONT DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
02/1994-07/1995 ST205L-BLMVZW TBO4W, EUR, LB, LHD, 3SGTE, MTM 47-05
02/1994-07/1995 ST205R-BLMVZW TBO4W, EUR, LB, RHD, 3SGTE, MTM 47-05

I also found a supra caliper shares the same pistons as their rear caliper.

Japan 09/1993-07/1999 TOYOTA CELICA ST20* 47-05: FRONT DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
General 11/1993-07/1999 TOYOTA CELICA ST20* 47-05: FRONT DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
Europe 11/1993-07/1999 TOYOTA CELICA AT200,ST20* 47-05: FRONT DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
Japan 05/1993-07/2002 TOYOTA SUPRA JZA80 47-07: REAR DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
Europe, General 05/1993-04/1996 TOYOTA SUPRA JZA80 47-07: REAR DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER
N. America 05/1993-07/1998 TOYOTA SUPRA JZA80 47-07: REAR DISC BRAKE CALIPER & DUST COVER

I also found this seal kit on ebay for a good price. I do not like the idea of not buying oem though.
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby athousandleaves » Mon May 07, 2012 5:31 am

robolt wrote:Remember 2 different caliper were available on the ST205.


Mind elaborating on that?



CMS-GT4 wrote:I have heard two rumors on that. I have heard UK models had two caliper options, but the Japanese calipers were the same for all years. I do not know where my calipers are from, so I am not sure what I will pick. I did find on an mr2 board that the 205 calipers were the same as the r32 calipers. It claimed same 40mm pistons. I would like to see more data on the subject.
I wonder if there is any info on the caliper that indicates what version it was.


Just for comparison sake, how big are the pistons on your 205 calipers? Mine are ~37mm

Is this the only difference they noticed?
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby robolt » Tue May 08, 2012 4:24 am

athousandleaves wrote:
robolt wrote:Remember 2 different caliper were available on the ST205.


Mind elaborating on that?


Celica ST 205 GT4 (Up to August 1995)
And Celica ST 205 GT4 (After August 1995)

Coming from the UK
If they are from a UK spec car they most likely are the early type.
The UK did not get the late type.
If it was from a Japan Spec car imported to UK, still likely to be early type as the late spec cars still have quite a decent value, so I'd be surprised if it had been dismantled.

As to what the difference is?
I do not know of any distinguishing marks or numbers.
What the real difference is between the early and late I wish I knew.
I took a guess due to getting my calipers from the UK.
(cost was a bit prohibitive from getting both early and late sets)

athousandleaves wrote:Just for comparison sake, how big are the pistons on your 205 calipers? Mine are ~37mm

Is this the only difference they noticed?

Have not measured mine, if I have the opportunity I will.
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby WarTowels » Tue May 08, 2012 1:05 pm

robolt wrote:I am keeping mine natural. Seemed much simpler and I like them.

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Remember 2 different caliper were available on the ST205.



How much did they run you?

All my seals seem to be in pretty good condition, I was just going to reuse them...

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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:13 pm

How can you tell the seals are good? I thought if you took the pistons out you have to replace the seals regardless.
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby WarTowels » Tue May 08, 2012 1:19 pm

I thought: free from visible wear or warping meant they were fine. They didn't change shape when I took them out afaik... so why wouldn't they be good/reusable?

It may not be best practices... but if they don't leak...

EDIT: I sent a message to that eBay seller to confirm that they are not OEM parts.

EDIT: Heard back from eBay, they are indeed OE not OEM.

I'd be down to replace the seals... if costs are reasonable.

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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby robolt » Tue May 08, 2012 2:49 pm

WarTowels wrote:How much did they run you?


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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby athousandleaves » Tue May 08, 2012 3:56 pm

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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby WarTowels » Tue May 08, 2012 4:13 pm

^That forum requires membership, not useful for all of us.

So about $232 + shipping for seals. ...Might take my chances with re-use.

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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue May 08, 2012 4:22 pm

It seems a couple people say they are the same, but just some people saying it really does not verify it for me. I think measuring some of the caliper pistons we know the sources and years of might be a better shot. The problem with mine is I have no idea what they are from. I think the owner got them from a JDM cut, so I can assume they are from a Japanese 205, but I could never be sure about the year.
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby athousandleaves » Tue May 08, 2012 8:43 pm

WarTowels wrote:^That forum requires membership, not useful for all of us.


membership bypass ;D http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.g ... 4&t=123269
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed May 09, 2012 12:59 am

So I can now announce why the Z is for sale. We are expecting a baby girl on the 1st of Oct. So I will be doing some final touches to the alltrac, like fixing the AC and what not. However, most of my time will be going into my business to get all the ground work laid out so I can just focus on designing and printing once the baby comes.

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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby Droptop93 » Wed May 09, 2012 1:05 am

YAY! Congrats to you and your wife Josh
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Re: Project CMS: st205 brakes

Postby toayoztan » Wed May 09, 2012 1:08 am

Congrats!

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