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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby Landon » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:49 pm

Hey Josh, Whats the benefit of doing the tie rod flip kit?
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:20 am

It's to alleviate bump steer on our lowered cars.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:29 am

So my tie rod flip kit is now installed. It was harder than expected. I am keeping my dust shield and that prevented me from using my vice. I had to rig up a solution for mounting the spindles and drilling them. Drilling went quick, coming up with a solution to use them with my drill press was the time consumer. Here you can see the bottom and top of the kit installed. That stuff oozing out is epoxy. The one I did first was already cured and it feels solid.

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My wife is getting sick of the time this brake project is taking me. The baby will be here soon, and I need this car done so the Z can leave. I drew up my possible caliper brackets. I am waiting on the quote from the steel place to see what it would take to cut the outline, then I will just drill my on holes once they get here.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby MWP » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:31 am

Epoxy??? :shock:

I dont care how strong they say it is, or it appears to be, epoxy will NEVER go anywhere near any of my steering gear.
Steering is too important.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby Landon » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:52 am

Oh that makes sense. I haven't noticed much bump steer, but I plan to go a little lower so that might be something I'll be interested in. I'd agree with MWP, however if it is fastened through to the other side and the epoxy isn't the only bond between steering and losing steering, I wouldn't be concerned. but I should just let Josh answer, just my two bits. :P
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:19 am

Its this stuff. I am not sure if epoxy is the correct term for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-20297-6P ... B001REV6EW
Its meant to fill any gaps in metal. From what I have read, the stuff is pretty solid.
I assume its there to prevent any movement from the inserts, but I am not sure if its even needed considering the tie rods turns anyhow. Besides, they are bolted down, so the only movement they could provide is rotational.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:19 pm

Updated caliper bracket design. Waiting for quote to get it cut out, then I am going to drill my holes once it gets here.

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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby bozo-merlin » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:28 am

CMS-GT4 wrote:It's to alleviate bump steer on our lowered cars.

After a lot of try, i found that with my 4" lower car the best position is still on the upside, but i don't mod the lower ball join point (and suppose you don't too).

I think you will experience a strange feeling and go back to original tie rod end position or start to work on lower ball join.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:47 pm

I plan on doing the adjustable roll center someday, but for now I am going to see how I like the flipped tierod end. I'll report back once my new brackets get here and I am back on the road.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:38 am

Plexiglass jig is done. I used the drawings wilwood provides of their calipers to make a techinal drawing of my bracket. Then I printed it, double sided taped it and drilled some tiny pilot holes with a dremel bit, which I followed with the bit I am using to drill the actual brackets. I am going to hook it up tomorrow so I can figure out what size spacers I have to use. Hopefully this can all be put back together this week.

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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:59 pm

All alltrac front brake hardline fittings are the same, right? The front brake lines I got from Martin don't seem to want to go over the bottom of the flare nut. My rears bolted up as easy as stock, but I bought those somewhere else.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:52 pm

Here is the part that does not seem to fit. I hope I can find a place locally that sells line parts and I can just replace this end with one that fits.

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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:24 pm

I have had no luck getting a hold of Martin. I looked back at his notes and this was a -03 AN to 10mm x 1.0. I sent pics to revolution braking to see what they offered to adapt it He said toyota has a different fitting even though its in that size. The screw is this size, but its deeper etc.. He said I need new hoses of course, and there is no simple fix. After some searching though I found these: http://www.jegs.com/i/Earls/361/989538/ ... tId=762945

Its the adapter in a toytota size. So I am going to order a set of these and hopefully this will be my solution. I am hoping to get this all done come next week, but its all a matter of how long it takes stuff to get here.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:55 pm

I lucked out, and the part from earls worked. It fit better than the revolution ends too. Those required me to modify my brackets for the hex end to fit in. Earl's fit like oem. Once the wife gets home we are going to get the measurements for whatever caliper spacer I need, then I am just waiting for my brackets to come in. We are expecting the baby in a couple weeks, so I am trying to wrap this up soon.
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Re: Project CMS: BBK installation

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:00 pm

My brackets came in today. I want to fine tune my jig, and then I will begin drilling.
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I need to finish this project first. I am cleaning the garage, and trying to organize all my spare parts. Likely going to toss my camry spindles. I kept them for measurement, but they need to be rebuilt since they sat in water for a while without me knowing. Unless I find decent storage for them. Likely throwing away my 205 harness as well. I am going to cut all the plugs off and keep those, but toss the harness. Likely throw away some other things too, and making a for sale pile.
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I had been looking into ball joint solutions as well for roll center adjustment. I think I am going to have an old set of ball joints modified to accept a new type of joint. This is on the back burner though.
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