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Project: Black Trac- She's gone!

Postby Landon » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:12 am

hey guys, so basically started to get jealous i don't have a project thread so i'm gonna get one started. we'll see how it goes. i'll update to now and keep it that way.

Bought my car off a old man that owned a motel here in eastern oregon. the last place anyone would expect to find this rare car. I had no idea what an alltrac was at the time, just thought it a good looking car. got her for $3500 last summer and have gradually begun to realize since what an amazing car i stumbled upon. I'm very glad i did, even though they can give you hell sometimes.

The day after i bought it, she started smoking. Turned out to be the pipe the branches to the turbo, and comes from the top radiator hose. I soon realized how hard parts are to find and how difficult these are to work on.

First drive after this was fixed, water pump went. i wasn't confident yet so paid 700+ to get this replaced, timing belt, etc.

Stock engine bay after new water pump. Middle of winter as you can tell.

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Ran great for the first quarter of school. Till she started running really rough. soon found out spark plugs wires were the issue

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Then HFH blew and she sat in the garage for pretty much all winter quarter. I began the repairs myself once i started missing the car to much. This is when i began to understand our cars a little more and have much more respect for them now. Heres some pics of what i did. Straight intake, batt relocate, new hoses around, yup. ended up going through hell to find out i broke connections on the AFM. Took about a month to figure that out- after two or three shops thought about it too- i found the problem thanks to one of your help.
pics now-enough words. Let me know yours thoughts.

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Painted under the hood black cause it was gross:
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And investigation of why it doesn't want to start:
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Now she is running great.
MBC and Boost gauge installed and i love it. pictures soon and new rear suspension bushings on there way. very excited because i'm tired of the rear end floating all over the road.

Auto Meter Boost gauge and three gauge pod
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Boosting 7-9psi stock
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at night!
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MBC from a helpful fella on here. boost at 11-14 psi now

Now for bushings update. uh sorry for kinda crap picutres, dark + camera phone doesnt work perfect.
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wheels off, looking ugly

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take the caliper off
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ebrake behind this, i replaced the pads because they were shot and it wasn't holding well.
next remove axle bolt, all other bolts holding on the arms
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then remove the shock
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and its off!
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then remove the arms from the frame
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this is where i ran into some pain in the ass things. thankfully only broke one bolt. (thanks to the most amazing penetrating oil: Sea Foam-Deep Kreep, use it for everything) easily found another one. note: camrys and corollas have the same bolts of similar years. helpful to me. this one guy tried to charge me 10 bucks for the bolt. i was like hell no, so i got it for free from another wrecking yard. Main problem i ran into is getting the camber adjustment arm off. it has an inner sleeve inside the old bushing that is pressed in. so i had to bend out the sides of the mount on the subframe. then same process to get it back in. this caused some difficulties with alignment latter and could possibly be remedied by something else. there are a total of twelve bushings for the rear suspension set. six on each side- one on each arm, three on each wheel hub.

a press is a must to get the old bushings out.
ATTN: be super careful when pressing the bushings out of the hub, i ended up braking one of the metal mounts in the hub and had to weld, so just make sure to support the pressure.
broken mount
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welded(not the best weld i've seen)
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cleaned up
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and welded both sides, hopefully will hold good. ps: you guys think this was okay to do?
now in with the new
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i cleaned up and painted all the arms, ect
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notice the inner sleeve. i had to cut these out of the old bushings because they were frozen inside. this worked well, but the whole thing just increased the difficulty of this whole project quite a bit
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and then i painted my calipers and rotors to keep away the cancer
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hub and brakes all back assembled.
And royal purple lube going in the rear axle soon
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two bottles at 75-90
also replaced the rear lift gate shocks. one was shot and so they hold pretty good now, but still not perfect when its cold since they were used. happy for now.
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Hint: really really useful tools-impact gun, deepkreep, air saw, press, plenty of tools lol, welder if you break anything, and a few other things.
That pretty much sums it up.
It is a night and day difference now, the rear end is so much more solid and amazing. a had to have it aligned twice because everything settled and all the bolts needed to be retightened. make sure you retighten everything about a week later. now it just handles really well and i'm very pleased. sorry not perfect but hope it makes sense and helps. comment away on what was good, bad, and interesting
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Postby Landon » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:22 am

bump!
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Postby RedCelicaTRD » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:10 am

I had to do the same thing with my ST165 on the rear toe adjustment. It was a pain but at least if came out.
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Postby C-dubb » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:15 am

damn, good clean up.
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Postby mike325ci » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:08 pm

what brand/type of bushings did you use? they look like 1-piece to me, were they?

also, you know about the two bushings in the rear hub (the ones that have holes facing the front/back of the car), right? (just checking-- general thought here is that they should be replaced with a toyota supra part - the one that has the metal in there).

also, thanks for the tip about Seafoam Deep Kreep. i'll have to see if the local parts place has it. i like PB Blaster, but doesn't hurt to have more tools in the arsenal... :)
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Postby Landon » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:23 am

mike325ci wrote:what brand/type of bushings did you use? they look like 1-piece to me, were they?

also, you know about the two bushings in the rear hub (the ones that have holes facing the front/back of the car), right? (just checking-- general thought here is that they should be replaced with a toyota supra part - the one that has the metal in there).

also, thanks for the tip about Seafoam Deep Kreep. i'll have to see if the local parts place has it. i like PB Blaster, but doesn't hurt to have more tools in the arsenal... :)


i used bushings from red rocket performance on celicatech. all the bushings were one piece. on the celica forum people were talking about how they though some of them should be spherical bushings, but i don't see how this would be and why it would be bad to replace with a solid one. everything has been holding well and is a thousand times better then before. the supra bushing part-i replaced with just poly. i noticed that on those specific bushings in the hub your talking about that there was an outer sleeve of metal...the new bushings fit tight and seem to be holding fine, so i'm not sure how this would be problematic? i'll keep you all posted, but for now i don't see how it will change.
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Postby Landon » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:30 am

oh yeah, on the pb buster. your welcome for the tip. its really seriously true. like even i was a fan of pb buster, but no joke deep kreep is like 100% better and fast. no i don't work for them and trying to get you to buy a bunch. lol. i just was so shocked with how well it worked. i soaked a bolt in wd40 over night, didn't change a thing. one application of dk broke it loose first try. i noticed on your thread you used pb three time. i just would bet dk would get it first time. lol. its simply amazing.
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Postby RedCelicaTRD » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:28 am

Using a poly bushing can cause the suspension to bind as it travels through it's geometry. Using a spherical bearing reduces the amount of deflection in the suspension while it travels. This prevents binding (and unwanted toe/camber changes) since the suspension can't move itself into a geometry that would result in binding.
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Postby Landon » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:45 am

okay, that makes sense. i'll definitely keep an eye on it. seems alight so far. so we'll see. thanks for clearing that up though man.
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Postby Landon » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:50 am

its not perfect, but it looks alright. what you guys think?

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Re: Project: Starting to tell you about my project

Postby Landon » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:23 am

so i got bored the other afternoon and decided to tear out the rear interior. heres some pics of how it came along, and the rust i found. not to mention how terribly dirty it is.. : ( maybe everyone should check for rust here unless its a well known area already. i just sanded down as much i could and put some rust controll paint on. hope does the job. oh and the combo of this and putting my old MAF back on took me from a quarter mile of 15.95 to 15.17. how many pounds do you think i took out? i actually like the sound, and can tell why Rene would think his exhaust extremely loud... the stock exhaust is so much louder with the seats out and stuff. anyways, i'll get the final cleaned pictures up when i get back to my car..

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and sorry for the mass of pictures... i think i like pictures a little too much. lol
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Re: Project: Starting to tell you about my project

Postby Celicatuner92 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:35 am

Looking good. I think I'm gonna have to take my interior out and see if I got rust starting like that so I can take care of it.
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Project: Black Trac- Latest Seat Work

Postby Landon » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:51 am

so i got really tired of sitting on ducktape so i did a little "at home" upholstry. i know its not perfect, but anything really is better then what i had. view away.
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latest boredom set up as well link... top mount spray thing.
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Re: Project: Black Trac- Latest Seat Work

Postby mike325ci » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:07 pm

Are those seat covers that you bought from that seller on eBay? If you tighten it up a bit, it would look very nice...~

Certainly beats a pad of duct tape, :rofl: :twisted:
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Re: Project: Black Trac- Latest Seat Work

Postby alltracst185 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:22 pm

mike325ci wrote:Are those seat covers that you bought from that seller on eBay? If you tighten it up a bit, it would look very nice...~

Certainly beats a pad of duct tape, :rofl: :twisted:

He made them :shock: deff a good start, all you have to do is tighten them up a bit. A lot better than i could do i will admit that! Good work man...keep it up :D
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