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Re: MWP's wannabe Tarmac Rally 5S-GTE ST185 (now to suspensi

Postby MWP » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:45 am

Finally got a wheel align done today.... look'n good :)
Another pair of crash bolts on the back for more rear camber, and a little more caster at the front and i'll be happy.

I was aiming for:
Front: 0mm toe, 2.5deg camber, ~5deg caster.
Rear: 2mm toe, 2.5deg camber.
... its pretty close other than the rear camber.

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:27 pm

So the t3 top mounts are not maxed out on their caster adjustment?
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Postby MWP » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:42 pm

Thats as far as they will go.
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Postby MWP » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:04 am

Ran in the first competition since the car has been back on the road yesterday... the Port Adelaide Carrera Sprint.

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The car ran perfectly.
I got lots of compliments on how well the engine has been built which is nice :)

In car video from run #2:
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Postby bajallama » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:48 pm

Nice!
Is that telemetry hooked up to your MS3?
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Postby MWP » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:17 pm

Yeah, logs are recorded to the SD card inserted in the MS3.
Video overlay is done with RaceRender.
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Re: MWP's wannabe Tarmac Rally 5S-GTE ST185 (now to suspensi

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:42 pm

I got some details off the front of a 185 rally car using tte top hats, lower arms, and spindles.
caster 6.15' camber -2.45'
Might be good test data. From the looks of it, their top hats and lower arms both have built in caster.
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Postby MWP » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:50 pm

Thats the same data that i have got ;)

Moving the lower arm is the next thing to do... not quite as easy as moving the top mount.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:57 pm

It actually might be. I was talking to an old rally head in the US and he claims he uses the tte mounts on the stock a-arm and it increases caster. I am waiting for a reply from Wever to see what he says and I am thinking that will be the solution to move the arm instead of getting a custom a-arm made. Of course that is pending cost.
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Postby MWP » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:40 am

I wouldn't be surprised if there are some eccentric poly mounts made for a different car that would fit.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:59 am

There is one for the 165, but the problem is the 185 was changed to a circular design, so it will always spin and change caster. The 165 has a flat section to keep it in place.
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Postby kilt88 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:57 pm

The MRT (Noltec) top mounts I used to sell had camber and caster adjustment.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:18 pm

kilt88 wrote:The MRT (Noltec) top mounts I used to sell had camber and caster adjustment.


Hey Josh,
Both mwp and I run t3 top plates that have caster adjustment. The wheel sits further back and addition caster needs to be done at the lca to center the wheel in the well. At least for me due to large tires.
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Postby kilt88 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:40 pm

CMS-GT4 wrote:Hey Josh,
Both mwp and I run t3 top plates that have caster adjustment. The wheel sits further back and addition caster needs to be done at the lca to center the wheel in the well. At least for me due to large tires.

I'd like to see some pictures installed, if you have any. I have the Tein HA coilovers, which only have camber adjustment, and, at some point, would like to add some caster.
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Re: MWP's wannabe Tarmac Rally 5S-GTE ST185 (now to suspensi

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:46 pm

kilt88 wrote:
CMS-GT4 wrote:Hey Josh,
Both mwp and I run t3 top plates that have caster adjustment. The wheel sits further back and addition caster needs to be done at the lca to center the wheel in the well. At least for me due to large tires.

I'd like to see some pictures installed, if you have any. I have the Tein HA coilovers, which only have camber adjustment, and, at some point, would like to add some caster.


Here is video of me installing it on my HAs. http://cmsgt4.blogspot.com/2014/07/this ... plate.html

I will likely be going to another coilover though. I spent some time talking to a chassis builder and I would have to spend a bit of money to get my strut towers modified correctly to get more stroke.
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