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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby 760gt4 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:02 pm

That was pretty fast shipping. post pictures of the intercooler, i actually wanna see in what shape its in.
so youre not planning on changing the front and rear main seals while the motor is out?
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:37 am

So, here is the motor, partially dismantled. Still need to pull the plugs and see what the condition was of the motor.

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Here is the pressure line connected to the new PS pump that came with the motor. Just wanted to verify it would be usable.

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Here are the passenger side mounts. Left is 215, right is 165. Should bolt on fine.

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Here is the IC.

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In all its glory :/ Plan to replace it after everything is installed and running.

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And the car as she currently sits.

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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:31 pm

Well, small update.

-I have sent off the my harness to have it modified to work in the st165.
-The stock flywheel bolts are too small for the motor(the threaded portion). Need to see what is needed here. Flywheel seems to line up properly.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby 760gt4 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:05 pm

Who did you send your harness to?
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:44 pm

mr220v/WireGap. I have heard nothing but good about them.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:51 am

Well, time for the next update.

For this install I have had to:
-Get flywheel bolts from a 2nd gen 3sgte as the 1st gen bolts were too skinny.
-Mount the motor mount bracket from the first gen motor on the 4th gen.

So, rather uneventful lol.

I got the harness back and I have the transmission mounted. While scary, the missle silo method of install worked nicely. I have a few other odds and ends to do then hope to have the motor sitting in the engine bay.

I received the harness from wiregap. Seems to be good work, but I will know more as I install it. The only thing I am unsure about is there are 3 wires, labeled, that are just sealed off. I am only concerned cause one says tach so not sure if I have to figure that out on my own. I probably just have to read a little more.
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And here is the old trans sitting comfortably with his new lover.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby anothergt4 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:43 pm

As far as your tach wire, the 165 used the distributor and the motor you have is distributor less, and uses coil on plug, correct? So maybe that was the wire for a tach signal from the ecu that needs to get wired into the gauge cluster, just maybe. Nice build. Also there is a good chance I have some second gen flywheel bolts laying around if you have trouble sourcing them, I'll send you a pm if I can find them.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:54 pm

anothergt4 wrote:As far as your tach wire, the 165 used the distributor and the motor you have is distributor less, and uses coil on plug, correct? So maybe that was the wire for a tach signal from the ecu that needs to get wired into the gauge cluster, just maybe. Nice build. Also there is a good chance I have some second gen flywheel bolts laying around if you have trouble sourcing them, I'll send you a pm if I can find them.


Yea, I had read somewhere that you have to put a resistor somewhere to get the tach to work. So, will just do some research and see what happens when I try and start her lol. Figure I will get it hooked up and installed and go from there. There is alot I don't know about this swap and just trying to document anything I feel is relevant.

And I bought some flywheel bolts a few weeks ago when I found out I would need them. Thanks though.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:03 pm

Well, small update time......kind of. I need to take some pics.

I have the engine fully installed and it turns over via key. Haven't tried to start the car yet as I need an air filter and to get various vacuum lines connected.

Hope to try and start her this week and then start ironing out all the odds and ends.

Here is one pic I took after I finally got everything assembled. She is sitting next to my latest acquisition :)
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby 760gt4 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:48 pm

At least it turns over haha. Hopefully the build goes pretty smooth.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:09 am

HOORAY!!!! Did as Luni/Rob said (start without worrying about vacuum lines) and ran into issues. Couldn't hear the FP kick on. Jumped +B and Fp on the diag box and then I heard the pump kick on when I turned the car on. I emailed mr220v/wiregap to see what I need to do to resolve this.

Motor starts and idled decently. There were some noises separate from the engine I will have to look at, but she idled fairly well and quietly for having no exhaust. Hooray!!!!
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:55 am

Well, here is an update with pics :) She starts easily with no weird noises. I have driven her down the street, so it seems like everything is working to some degree.

As she sits now:
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And a better view of the motor:
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And the lack of clearance with the radiator. Looks like I will be setting up the fans as pushers:
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My precious Aeroform kit waiting to be installed:
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Random dash shot. I will be replacing the gauge cluster at some point:
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And a reason for my financial investment in all projects to start slowing lol:
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby scottjackson1209 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:38 pm

Very nice! What rad is that? My Mishimoto rad is about that close to my 3rd gen swap in my 165
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby Anoo21 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:43 pm

Hey, I commented on the wiring on the other posting. Did you just use the 4th Gen ecu? Great to see everything running man. How much all together may I ask did it cost. I'm going to do this soon.
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Re: 1988 Alltrac - Fiona - 4th gen 3sgte enroute

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:33 pm

Anoo21 wrote:Hey, I commented on the wiring on the other posting. Did you just use the 4th Gen ecu? Great to see everything running man. How much all together may I ask did it cost. I'm going to do this soon.


I am using the 4th gen ecu. It's the AT ECU.

1050 for the engine shipped.
500 for the harness/including shipping.
20 for gen 2 flywheel bolts.

I have a few extra costs coming up just for intake and such, nothing special, maybe another 200(msd adapter for tach, intake, etc). I will admit that I did this in a way most wouldn't have, but I gambled and all seems well so far. My gamble was that I took what I received motor wise and installed with no maintenance aside from flushing where fluids go. I plan to do a tune up soon, but I really just wanted to get the motor installed and tested.
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