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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby l0ch0w » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:01 am

that is teh secks right there... verry nice indeed.
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby underscore » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:42 am

The wrinkle black gives it a very nice heavy duty look.
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby 4rsnduction » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:14 am

Wrinkle black looks fucking epic :notworthy:
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby toayoztan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:28 am

Very nice! Wish I could get my transfer case blasted clean like that, but I've never taken apart a transmission before.

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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby CSAlltrac » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:25 am

Beautiful build RM., I can't wait to see the end result. I always love seeing the different methods/tactics guys take to make all the components of a car withstand high HP figures. I think 400 wheel will always be enough for me, if I ever get bit by the high HP bug Ill just have to go to a meet where one of you guys are and pay you for a ride.
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby gearhead313 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:06 am

rm2932 wrote:Cause I have already cracked a 5S crank. Didn't want to go nuts on it with a knife edge to have it crack again. if I crack another one I will be getting a Brian Crower Billet Crank.



why would you not put a good crank in it then? odd..


also did you put the diff in with different bearings on old races? if so thats not quite good and will fail prematurely. just push some new bearings on it man!
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:25 am

The crank only showed after I cracked my block in a mag. I posted on the MR2 board and only one other guy has cracked his crank that I know of. So I was thinking it's more of a freak thing than anything. And I got this crank I am using for free. I didn't put the cracked crank back in. If I did switch to the BC billet that is the cost of the crank and a new set of custom rods again. His crank uses the 3S rod journal size while my rods are for the bigger 5S rod journal. That is like a $3000 swing vs a free crank. Like I said, me and an all motor 5S are the only 2 I know of to crack one. seems like a freak thing more than a problem.

I put brand new bearings on it. Selling my old diff with the 2,000 mile old bearings and races. Labeled the old ones Driver and Passenger side too for the buyer when I find one.

You can see the line in the under cut at the top of the journal going horizontal:
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby l0ch0w » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:39 am

I know a few who have cracked or warped the 5S crank. Its because the rod ratio is not ideal...

The stroker crank just doesnt seem to enjoy over 8000 rpm... which is why alot of the high HP guys are switching to an oversquare 2.1L with a 3S crank, 88mm bore in a 5S block. Much stouter.

I believe most of the 800+ guys (mostly MR2s albeit) arent running typical off the shelf bottom ends, they tend to use custom measured rods and pistons to meet their demands. Most are in favor of a piston design with shorter skirts, pin height, and longer rods to reduce side loading.
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:52 pm

Checked out the rear end today. Everything was within spec. Backlash was at .005-.006, bearing preload was at about 13in/lbs, and the teeth contact looks good. So I disassembled it all now and it's getting sand blasted tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be done with the power coating by Monday.

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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:14 pm

Rear Diff housing is blasted and dropped off to get power coated:

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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:01 pm

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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:53 am

Some random engine parts just got done with powder coating. Time to assemble more of the engine and degree my cams.

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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:42 am

CSAlltrac wrote:Beautiful build RM., I can't wait to see the end result. I always love seeing the different methods/tactics guys take to make all the components of a car withstand high HP figures. I think 400 wheel will always be enough for me, if I ever get bit by the high HP bug Ill just have to go to a meet where one of you guys are and pay you for a ride.


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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby BADNEWS » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:54 am

l0ch0w wrote:I know a few who have cracked or warped the 5S crank. Its because the rod ratio is not ideal...

The stroker crank just doesnt seem to enjoy over 8000 rpm... which is why alot of the high HP guys are switching to an oversquare 2.1L with a 3S crank, 88mm bore in a 5S block. Much stouter.

I believe most of the 800+ guys (mostly MR2s albeit) arent running typical off the shelf bottom ends, they tend to use custom measured rods and pistons to meet their demands. Most are in favor of a piston design with shorter skirts, pin height, and longer rods to reduce side loading.


So the 5S is a 91mm stroke with a 138mm rod. Giving it a rod ratio of 1.516. The 3s stock is 138mm rod with a 86mm stroke. Giving it a rod ratio of 1.605.

My engine is 142mm rod with 91mm stroke. Rod ratio of 1.560.

If I stayed with the 3s 86mm stroke my rod length. The rod ratio would be 1.651

Now if I could add half the 5mm stroke to the rod also giving me a 144.5mm rod with the 86mm stroke the rod ratio would be 1.680

What rod length do most 2.1 liter guys run?
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Re: 700AWHP or Bust

Postby l0ch0w » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:26 am

Really, most dont bother trying to build custom piston/rod sets because running a de-stroked 3s crank in a 5s block is more than enough for their power demands and the customization costs alot of money. Hell 700WHP has been made on shot peened Stock 3s rods and crank. On top of that 5S cranks have been bent under lower HP than that. MR2Josh's original 5sgte build running a 6262 warped his 5S crank and block running e85 at only 650whp. Given e85's propensity for not knocking, and knowing his tuner, it wasnt knock that killed that crankshaft... it was 8500 RPM on a crank with a 1.5 something rod ratio... If low end is what you are looking for then a 2.3L is great, but 700+ requires some substantial RPMs which arent well suited to the 5s crankshaft. Frankly at those power levels you really don't gain that much from having the extra .2 L of displacement. Thats not to say you cant do it on a 5s crank, Its just more risky. It does help you are running a long rod with your 5S crank, but seeing as you have cracked one crank, id be all over destroking it if It were me in the hotseat.

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alltrac101 wrote:was 870 @ 43 falling to 39.....good catch....that was with a 2.2....this is with a 2.1, my spare, Ive always wanted to try it....& yes it makes more power de-stroked...755 & 30 psi....now run the aem boost solenoids & it holds boost


To answer your original question, most run a 138mm rod with an 88mm bore and an 86mm stroke because its simple that way.
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