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1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby TakumiRolla » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:51 am

So I own this 1993 Celica GT convertible. Its an automatic and has the 5SFE engine we all know and love.
My father and I decided to convert it to 4WD one day. We first came up with the idea because we saw the RWD prop shaft space in the back floor. We then remembered an episode of Initial D where Takumi raced a GT4 Celica and then it hit us "We should make it like that!".

Ever since we have been doing research and finding out more and more. We know that the engine used in the GT4/Alltrac Celica's are called the 3S-GTE. They are turbocharged and are some of the most potent engines Toyota made. We have seen prices of them with trannys attached for about $1600. $4000 - $5000 is about the most were willing to spend on the conversion and I really need some help from you guys. I would like to know what all I would need to get an "aging" 1993 Celica to become the alltrac beast that it can become.

Thanks again.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby underscore » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:50 am

Long story short, it isn't possible for that budget. Very few people have successfully converted a 2WD Celica to 4WD, but a few thousand have considered/asked about it.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby toayoztan » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:32 am

For 4 to 5000, actually you are better off starting with an original gt4. You can find decent ones for the price.

Goodluck!

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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby TakumiRolla » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:29 pm

Oh :cry:

Well, what could we do to make it faster just as the FWD car that it is?
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby spitfiremk16 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:15 pm

You could swap a 3sgte in it and leave it fwd.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby phattyduck » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:19 pm

underscore wrote:Long story short, it isn't possible for that budget. Very few people have successfully converted a 2WD Celica to 4WD, but a few thousand have considered/asked about it.
I agree. If you have VERY GOOD fabrication skills, all the tools, etc. the budget is still less than just the parts cost.

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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby TakumiRolla » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:32 pm

Ok, well after discussing it, It seems we can spend a little more. How does 7k - 8k sound? We have already dumped around 8K into it already so there is no selling it and then getting a GT4. No backing down, and besides, has anyone ever heard of a convertible alltrac?
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby athousandleaves » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:45 pm

I see you're in Atlanta, GA therefore finding a real alltrac will be not impossible for you. Have a look: viewforum.php?f=14

I recommend you buy a real alltrac save yourself the time/money/frustration on doing the conversion.

Once you have an alltrac sink your money into making that car less slow. 8)

In rereading your last post maybe you should just half-trac your car and put in a 3SGTE and be done.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby toayoztan » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:07 pm

You can build a pretty fast car as a halftrac with your 7k budget.

Biggest costs will be the 3sgte itself (1500, and just stick with the 2nd gen), clutch/fw, turbo, and ems.

Then you'll need fuel, etc.

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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby celicat93 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:22 pm

I've owned both, after I bought my first All-Trac I held onto my GT for a number of years because I really enjoyed the way it handled much more, they feel much lighter (because they are), the only disadvantage to the GT platform is that you can lose grip easily with the FWD. If you're not worried about drag racing, then it's not really a problem. If you want a really good compromise, get a rear wheel drive MR2, which are pretty plentiful, you can get more car for the money with those, IMO. I still have an All-Trac because I like the looks and the prestige of having a rare car, it is a lot of fun to drive, the seats fit me like a glove and it did frustrate me to lose grip starting from a standstill, even when I wasn't trying or accelerating quickly, so look into different solutions for more traction, less slip. I don't know if there is an LSD for GT's. Oh yeah and I never wanted to bother with the swap, especially with experiencing the grip issues. :)
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby TakumiRolla » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:27 pm

Now I remember why I hate FF's!

Oh well.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:07 pm

TakumiRolla wrote:besides, has anyone ever heard of a convertible alltrac?


Hate to be the bringer of bad news but there is already one. Its posted on here somewhere. Its from europe.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby Meurz » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:48 pm

Yup.

A red convertible and a white T-top (SW20 swap) CS. Maybe other that I don't know as well.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby CSAlltrac » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:47 pm

It is possible, but as everyone stated, hope you have deep pockets or a lot of fab skills. The whole rear of the floor pan would have to be cut, then you would need a doner car to get the right floor with the sub frame mounting. That would be the correct way to "convert", any other method is going to take a ton of custom fabrication to support the rear subframe and all it's components.
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Re: 1993 Alltrac conversion

Postby WarTowels » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:03 pm

You guys like to weld, right?
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