1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby underscore » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:50 pm

How bout y'all quit your whining about gens and let the guy build his car...
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby MWP » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Not whining, informing :P

He'll update the thread with new build info when there is some... until then, some friendly banter about engine details isn't a problem, right?
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:05 am

Oh no hard feelings I love an intelligent convo. Everyone has their opinions, and I think the st215 is more hassle than its worth.

Got the GSC S1 gen3 cams in today, stole the shims off another head so i'd have enough to reshim this head, doing that tomorrow but they are all cleaned lubed and ready for measurements.

I'm going to need new cam seals are they the same as gen2? How about the distributor o-ring?
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:15 am

Berk 3" downpipe on. I must say the sheetmetal alignment inside the bellmouth is crap, they literally have sheetmetal overlapping sheetmetal which will cause alot of turbulence and eddies, adds crevices and trays for stuff to collect in. Not what I paid for, shaved the edges down before installing.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:23 pm

More pics.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:25 pm

More pics.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:33 pm

You can see in the pics that the rear driveshaft and camry cv axles are a direct bolt in. Also you can see the HKS cam gears/belt + GSC cams being degreed properly. Also where the intercooler is going to go with the shaker scoop through the hood, the turbo intake will come up and over the intercooler into the scoop to get some uber fresh air and water mist injection when its raining lol.

Here's the only problems i've run into. 1 of the control arm bracket bolts stripped going back in (rusted threads). Tapped it and put a course thread bolt in, but i'm going to weld it in place as well just to be sure as this thing needs to hold down 3x the power it was meant to.

Secondly the CV axle being the shortest option of the donor cars at 20" seems to be too long. It doesn't bind but it is compressed in too much for my liking. I haven't done the passenger side yet but I am hoping it intalls extended a bit because I think my issue is just that the engine needs to be slid towards the passenger side a little, which is easy since all the factory holes are slotted for adjustment and the 4th final mount has yet to be made so it can go whereever. Worst case scenario I get some custom axle shafts made down the road if I can't correct by sliding the engine and I grenade an inner CV (unlikely as is).

I think the engine just needs to be slid over because the track width of the corolla is 56.7" and the 2.5L Camry/ST165 Celica is 57.9" which should only make me 0.6" tighter on each CV axle. Currently it is sitting a good 1.5" over compressed. Probably going to need to put a dent into the passenger strut tower to clear the engine mount.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby UtahSleeper » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:53 pm

Nice progress and damn thats a tight fit. Good work.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:20 am

Well its in and done, go to start it, nothing. I've got fuel but no spark. Code 14 no IGF signal. Tested everything, ECU is good, tried 2nd ignitor no change. Tweak'd fucked up this harness and they got rid of the intercooler pump connector so I can't do anything about losing code 54 unless I cut open the hearness, Tweak sucks.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby New Guy » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:21 am

They do hundreds upon hundreds of harnesses. It's possible that a handful of calls came in when they were doing yours and something got missed.

Call them or shoot them an email and talk to them about it before you start badmouthing them.


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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:02 pm

Already talked to them. They chopped the connector for the IC pump without thinking about the fact that I need to get to those wires to remove code 54. Thought being the experts they are they'd know that when I told them I wasn't running the water/air cooler hence why they chopped the connector. So now I have to tap in at the ECU side of the wires.

The issue with no spark after exhausting every other option turns out to be corrosion inside the ECU connector pins. No way it got wet when I had it since it stayed in a dry garage inside a box the entire time, must have happened when it sat in a JDM port forever. But the fact that they missed this makes me wonder why I paid $600+ for them to join 2 harnesses together and electrical tape the blank out of it.

Either way I talked to Cam and they are going to let me pay for 3 new connector housings and re-crimp the ECU pins myself. So kind of them.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby UtahSleeper » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:26 pm

So, any new pics? Running yet?
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:12 pm

Done, runs stupid fast. Had to switch to falken azenis to stop it from burning all 4 through 2nd (14" wheels). Using dry ice on the intercooler for racing.
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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby mk1spyder » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:14 pm

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Re: 1991 Corolla All-Trac / The 3SGTE swap no one does

Postby UtahSleeper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:46 pm

DAMN!!!! Good work!!
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