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Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:43 am

Just closed the deal and paid for a 150k mile stock st165 from out of state. Just waiting for it to ship. Going to get it fully 100% roadworthy and drive it for the next year or so while I get and build up an st205 swap to put into it.

Left rear wheel well has the normal toyota rust. Found a patch panel, so I'll get that knocked out first. I have a body guy who owes me a ginormous favor for some work I did for him. Other than that and a couple of small dents in the front fenders that will also be addressed, the body is clean. As far as any body mods, I'm only going to tint the windows. I love the way the car looks stock.

After that I plan to flush every single fluid out of it and do any needed repair/maintenance that I find. As far as what the car needs, the previous owner says only the struts/shocks are wiped, so coilovers are going to be one of the first orders of business, probably followed by wheels/tires just to get the car sitting nice.

Once we arrive there, where would you start with bolt ons? Are there any "must have" mods for the st165?

Keep in mind that I will be driving it, so it can't be stuff that will put the car down longer than a weekend.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby underscore » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:52 am

I'd drive it for a while, see what else pops up and what you like and don't like about it and go from there.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby ___Scott___ » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:18 am

If it were mine, the first thing I would do after you freshen up the fluids and get it on the road is add a bottle of Regane to the fuel tank. Image Regane makes fuel injectors happy.

After you are comfortable that the car is running good, the next thing I would do is buy a cheap boost controller off eBay and dial up the boost a little. Not too much, just enough that you can hit fuel-cut then back it off a hair. That will make it a much more fun car to drive.

Don't be fooled by flashy colors and shiny stuff, a simple boost controller is just as good as the more expensive ones. I am running one like this:
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby Awesome-Trac » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:35 am

I'd start with these which is pretty much maintenance: water pump, timing belt, cam seals, front main seal, flush oil, trans fluid, radiator, diff fluid then do a tune up! At least this way you can pretty much eliminate any problems
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby st182er » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:40 am

for my dream st165 (after a full fluid flush+maintenance)

coilovers
rear sway bar
some nice 16x8 +35 with fat semislicks
Change all the bushings
Strip the rear seats and spare wheel, then DIY carpet to make it look stock.
Short shifter
momo mod 78 wheel
recaro pole position
I would leave the exterior stock

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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby Mr Alltrac » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:14 pm

Hey that's chrisd's car! Car is a beast.

I would refresh all fluids, reseal motor, and keep it oem minty fresh. :D
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby lumbercis » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:40 pm

underscore wrote:I'd drive it for a while, see what else pops up and what you like and don't like about it and go from there.


I agree with this guy. Keep in mind you might find additional things during maintenance that you didn't expect, so plan for that. After it's in good shape maybe go do some autocross and see if anything else shakes out while pushing it hard stock. A well running stock car is more fun than an unreliable modded car.

After you do that for a while you may have a better idea of what kinds of mods would increase your enjoyment of the car. Don't mod just to mod. Figure out what kind of driving you like to do with the car and then improve the things you think will increase your enjoyment.

If I had a stock alltrac right now with all maintenance done, I probably wouldn't do more than wheels and tires, some decent dampers like Bilstein or Koni, springs, rear swaybar, exhaust, boost controller, and maybe an LSD rear diff, in that order.

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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:51 pm

I do want to hit 11's in the 1/4 consistently and be able to withstand an occasional autocross outing. That is my goals
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby ___Scott___ » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:12 pm

If you plan to autocross a stock ST165, be aware that a long right-hand sweeper will send all the oil to the end of the oil pan opposite of the oil pickup tube. This can cause brief oil starvation, enough to kill a turbo. I made that mistake once.

If you want to try it anyway, make sure your oil level is a little on the high side.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:12 pm

Well, for now, it's going to be stock, until all bugs are ironed 100%. IF I autocross it with the stock engine, I'm going to research preventative mods before. I don't feel like being stuck in jersey
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby CSAlltrac » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:26 pm

Only one mod will give you night and day difference. Stand Alone EMS with a good tune. Start there and you won't be disappointed. It's also the needed foundation to maximize any other mods after it.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby 88gt4DE » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:43 pm

st182er wrote:for my dream st165 (after a full fluid flush+maintenance)

coilovers
rear sway bar
some nice 16x8 +35 with fat semislicks
Change all the bushings
Strip the rear seats and spare wheel, then DIY carpet to make it look stock.
Short shifter
momo mod 78 wheel
recaro pole position
I would leave the exterior stock

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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby de_engineered » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:31 pm

___Scott___ wrote:If you plan to autocross a stock ST165, be aware that a long right-hand sweeper will send all the oil to the end of the oil pan opposite of the oil pickup tube. This can cause brief oil starvation, enough to kill a turbo. I made that mistake once.

If you want to try it anyway, make sure your oil level is a little on the high side.


A mod I've seen the V6 MR2 guys do is weld in a divider in the pan to keep the pickup as submerged as possible under hard turns. As per usual, YMMV.


Clean car, sounds like a nice proposed setup, good luck!
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:54 pm

Why is it so hard to find good wheel info? I want to run something wider than stock 205, but I can't have rubber bands for tires due to living in NYC. I figured 16x8, but it seems tires choices are very limited. I should have decent room after putting coilovers and rolling the fenders. But it seems all the info I find went with a 205 tire.

The wheel thread has all dead pics and links, and searching the Internet has proven irritating at best.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby underscore » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:08 pm

The easiest thing to do is measure your clearances with whatever is currently on there, then plug your current size into a comparison tool like http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp and see which other sizes fit within those clearances.
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