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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:40 pm

I guess that's what I'm going to have to do.

The car is currently being shipped, so I was hoping to have the wheels on the ground when she got here. :(
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:41 pm

Finally got it, just started digging in
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:44 pm

Interior is real nice all considering. Steering wheel needs a rewrap, shifter knob is from autozone, the radio is terrible and the wiring behind it is even worse. Other than that, it's golden.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby ChrisD » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:44 am

Hey, there's my car. ;) How's progress going?
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby GT4times2 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:02 am

Looks good. Take it a step at a time. Make sure all maintenance is done first, before modding. Check for brittle harness and electrical issues, then go for BPUs (intake, exhaust, DP, MBC).

11s? Hmm. Totally do-able. Just put your plans on paper. Speak to those that are there now, or have been there. Saves lots of headaches and money. If you have DSM buddies, you can ask them about their mods (They have endless resources and are budget minded racers overall). The DSMs cars are not as stout as Alltracs (driveline issues, crank walk issues), but you have endless DMSs (1st and 2nd Gens) in the 11s and 10s.

Most importantly, have a daily driver. All Tracs, once they become projects spend time in the garage. Unless you live in a city like NYC, you'll need another car to take you to work. Experience talking.... Ask to see how many All Trac owners have another car on this forum. Most (if not all) do.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby BlackDragon » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:20 pm

I've parked the car and left it for a bit. It has a lot of issues and every time I fix something, something else pops. It's been more than a little frustrating, so I'm taking a break from it.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby GT4times2 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:45 am

BlackDragon wrote:I've parked the car and left it for a bit. It has a lot of issues and every time I fix something, something else pops. It's been more than a little frustrating, so I'm taking a break from it.


Already? Too early to feel overwhelmed. Put your plans on paper, and do your research. Lots of people start off with big plans for All Tracs only to see them in the Marketplace section (on the forum) or Craigslist months down the line. Take it easy, save for quality parts, and labor for your work (if you don't feel confident doing the work yourself) and take your time.

1. Make sure you have a great running engine (If not, get the parts for a proper build up)
2. Make sure you pick the right turbo, EMS, fuel set up for you goals.
3. Don't be afraid to ask questions, and share what you learn along the way.
4. I've learned not to care to do everything myself (Save time and headaches). Pay the best when you want the best (engine building/Wiring/Welding work etc). If you're great at everything, by all means DIY.

OR at this point, get a 3rd or 4th Gen 3SGTE and do a BPU set up on it, and call it a day. Lower mileage motors, modern, cleaner wiring (big plus for me), and decent aftermarket parts for both generations.

Better to build a running, (powerful enough) All Trac (320-350whp) that may run back to back low 13s- high 12s all day, and being able to drive them often, than having a fast car you can barely enjoy most of the time. (Terrible lag, always breaking down and the list can go on). I'm past that with 2 out of 3 All Tracs. :D

If I haven't lost my mind with these cars (9 Alltracs, in 15 years), I think you'll be ok.

Best of Luck!! :)
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby 97JZA80 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:27 am

BlackDragon wrote:I've parked the car and left it for a bit. It has a lot of issues and every time I fix something, something else pops. It's been more than a little frustrating, so I'm taking a break from it.



I do this annually. Try not to get frustrated its fun when it runs.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby 88st165 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:02 pm

Ah the trials and tribulations of owning these rare machines. I agree like the others have said, the ones who really love these cars stick it out for some reason. Imagine owning multiple cars. To give you an idea I have owned my white 165 for 5yrs and driven it a total of 3 months. I have owned my red 165 for 10yrs and driven it a total of a little over 10k miles. Most of these cars are parked more than they are driven and the ones who get to daily drive theirs I am jealous of haha. Keep up the good work, there is nothing wrong with taking a break. 8)
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby Awesome-Trac » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:32 pm

Lol Alltracs require pretty much 100% of your attention, I've owned mine for about three years now and every month it's something new! Doesn't stop me from loving it even tho it's a pain in the ass
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby ___Scott___ » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:56 pm

There is a lot of negativity on these cars in this thread. It is possible to have an All-Trac as a daily driver. I've driven one "daily" since I bought my first one in '96. Like any other car, things can happen to knock it off the road for a bit but as long as you keep the maintenance up and don't beat on them I've found them to be pretty reliable transportation.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby Awesome-Trac » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:19 am

___Scott___ wrote:There is a lot of negativity on these cars in this thread. It is possible to have an All-Trac as a daily driver. I've driven one "daily" since I bought my first one in '96. Like any other car, things can happen to knock it off the road for a bit but as long as you keep the maintenance up and don't beat on them I've found them to be pretty reliable transportation.


I daily mine everyday Since I bought it. I even drove it with 3rd and 4th gear out! That's how much I love it as a daily lol
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby GT4times2 » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:39 am

___Scott___ wrote:There is a lot of negativity on these cars in this thread. It is possible to have an All-Trac as a daily driver. I've driven one "daily" since I bought my first one in '96. Like any other car, things can happen to knock it off the road for a bit but as long as you keep the maintenance up and don't beat on them I've found them to be pretty reliable transportation.


I wouldn't consider what we're saying negativity. They're 20+ year old turbo cars. Most of the time, they end up being projects. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but the numbers don't lie. No one is saying they're not reliable. They're old cars that need TLC, and most people that buy them, do so to enjoy them as second cars/projects. Many are/were neglected and require plenty of attention. If we were to survey most owners on this forum, a good percentage would tell us their cars are not driven daily. Many are going thru a restoration process, or engine swap/rebuild/upgrades etc. Just saying.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby underscore » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:28 am

If you buy one that was well maintained and isn't significantly modified I don't see why it couldn't be driven every day. But if you buy one that has been neglected, as most older turbo cars are, you have to either catch up on the maintenance up front or be prepared for it to be a bit less reliable than a more typical car.
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Re: Stock St165, where would you start?

Postby ___Scott___ » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:28 pm

I should say that I'm not disagreeing with any of the advice given, just trying to balance the discussion a little.
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