ST205 in the US?

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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby 83841 » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:08 pm

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celicat93 wrote:What we ought to do is just find someone trustworthy in Canada to be our "owner", write up some legal documentation to indicate that we're "renting" them and he gets some sweetness out of the deal. I've seen Canadian vehicles driving down here, there's nothing wrong with that, just can't register them here.


I most certainly do have a trustworthy person in Canda who can do this for me. Where can I find information on where this would be legal? Wouldnt I get pulled over for driving a Canadian plated car in the US for months on end?

I really wouldnt mind not registering it in the US as long as I could keep the vehicle as street legal. Since the 205 I'm looking at is a '96 it should be easy to import to Canada as a "classic" car. It would be imported to Calgary Canada, and then I guess I'd drive it...to New Jersey....Good god that's a long drive.



I bought mines from calgary.....and im in california. Apply for a working visa or green card and use your friends address..get your alberta license and register it and insure under your name. Good thing is that you dont have to smog it which is cool.
Also personalized plates are one time fee.. not a yearly fee...anyhow, the only problem that I have encountered so far is that RHD cars imported from japan canadian insuranace companies dont offer full coverage only liability, just because parts are not readily available. Its alot of process but well worth it to have a GT4 WRC on the road in california.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby Celicatuner92 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:40 am

i may be wrong but i looked up buying cars from canada and it seems to be common as the exchange rate makes cars cheaper. the downfall i read about was that the car would have a gray title making it worth a lot less but i am unsure if this applys to all cars or just newer ones.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby underscore » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:35 am

Just a heads up, cars imported to Canada no longer get Canadian VIN's, they keep the JDM VIN. Also if your insurance is anything like ours then once a vehicle has been in a place/out of it's registered area for X amount of time the insurance has to be changed or it's invalid. Finally if the insurance is in one persons name but it is being driven by another person too much, the insurance is invalid. That's how it works in BC anyways (Alberta is close to the same, so a lot of the Albertans driving around here have no insurance...), so unless you want to risk screwing over yourself and whoever the car is registered to in Canada you may as well swap a VIN from a 202 and run that risk instead.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby 83841 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:58 pm

underscore wrote:Just a heads up, cars imported to Canada no longer get Canadian VIN's, they keep the JDM VIN. Also if your insurance is anything like ours then once a vehicle has been in a place/out of it's registered area for X amount of time the insurance has to be changed or it's invalid. Finally if the insurance is in one persons name but it is being driven by another person too much, the insurance is invalid. That's how it works in BC anyways (Alberta is close to the same, so a lot of the Albertans driving around here have no insurance...), so unless you want to risk screwing over yourself and whoever the car is registered to in Canada you may as well swap a VIN from a 202 and run that risk instead.


Agree...but how does your insurance know that the vehicle has been out of its registered area for X amount of time??? Unless your getting tickets left and right....And it is illegal to drive around without insurance and liability is dirt cheap. Yes imported cars keep the JDM VIN which makes the car more authentic (thats how i see it) lol...... and if you do have the time to do a swap that would solve your problems, then again will you swap the RHD too and also it wouldnt be true JDM no more......
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:08 pm

Only if they were getting euro 205s. I don't want any of this rhd'ness.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby Meurz » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:32 pm

Be prepared to pay a bit more moneys then.. Example: Lots of cheap people brought RHD's here, which sell for 5k euro or less. A decent LHD is 15k+ euro. Afaik this price range applies to other LHD countries as well, though I have to admit I'm not actively following the prices throughout Europe. Most 205's from the UK (UKDM and JDM) are trashed, so I'd go for an overnight from Japan import - if you go RHD.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby underscore » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:34 pm

RHD isn't a big deal, but if I could have my RC as LHD I would.

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underscore wrote:Just a heads up, cars imported to Canada no longer get Canadian VIN's, they keep the JDM VIN. Also if your insurance is anything like ours then once a vehicle has been in a place/out of it's registered area for X amount of time the insurance has to be changed or it's invalid. Finally if the insurance is in one persons name but it is being driven by another person too much, the insurance is invalid. That's how it works in BC anyways (Alberta is close to the same, so a lot of the Albertans driving around here have no insurance...), so unless you want to risk screwing over yourself and whoever the car is registered to in Canada you may as well swap a VIN from a 202 and run that risk instead.


Agree...but how does your insurance know that the vehicle has been out of its registered area for X amount of time??? Unless your getting tickets left and right....And it is illegal to drive around without insurance and liability is dirt cheap. Yes imported cars keep the JDM VIN which makes the car more authentic (thats how i see it) lol...... and if you do have the time to do a swap that would solve your problems, then again will you swap the RHD too and also it wouldnt be true JDM no more......


Well for starters it had to cross a border to leave, also when you're in an accident the insurance agencies start asking around if they suspect anything. Ie if the car is in California being driven by a Californian and the RO is still in Calgary and the car is insured in Calgary, they can either see when that car crossed the border or ask around in California (neighbors, coworkers, etc) how long they've been seeing this car around for. If the car is reg'd in Calgary and is crashed in BC and the RO also owns/lives/works in BC then they'll find out how long the car has been in BC. If it's here too long, you have no insurance. That's why I ALWAYS get underinsured motorist protection, cause Albertans also can't drive for shit on top of barely/not having insurance :lol:
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby Spectra1 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:06 pm

underscore wrote:Albertans also can't drive for shit



Funny I was just thinking that about BC drivers :D
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby underscore » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:36 pm

Maybe the ones that stay over there are better, but the Albertans that come to my town are the worst drivers imaginable. They're either way too slow or drive like massive assholes, there's no in between haha
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby 83841 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:48 pm

underscore wrote:RHD isn't a big deal, but if I could have my RC as LHD I would.

83841 wrote:
underscore wrote:Just a heads up, cars imported to Canada no longer get Canadian VIN's, they keep the JDM VIN. Also if your insurance is anything like ours then once a vehicle has been in a place/out of it's registered area for X amount of time the insurance has to be changed or it's invalid. Finally if the insurance is in one persons name but it is being driven by another person too much, the insurance is invalid. That's how it works in BC anyways (Alberta is close to the same, so a lot of the Albertans driving around here have no insurance...), so unless you want to risk screwing over yourself and whoever the car is registered to in Canada you may as well swap a VIN from a 202 and run that risk instead.


Agree...but how does your insurance know that the vehicle has been out of its registered area for X amount of time??? Unless your getting tickets left and right....And it is illegal to drive around without insurance and liability is dirt cheap. Yes imported cars keep the JDM VIN which makes the car more authentic (thats how i see it) lol...... and if you do have the time to do a swap that would solve your problems, then again will you swap the RHD too and also it wouldnt be true JDM no more......


Well for starters it had to cross a border to leave, also when you're in an accident the insurance agencies start asking around if they suspect anything. Ie if the car is in California being driven by a Californian and the RO is still in Calgary and the car is insured in Calgary, they can either see when that car crossed the border or ask around in California (neighbors, coworkers, etc) how long they've been seeing this car around for. If the car is reg'd in Calgary and is crashed in BC and the RO also owns/lives/works in BC then they'll find out how long the car has been in BC. If it's here too long, you have no insurance. That's why I ALWAYS get underinsured motorist protection, cause Albertans also can't drive for shit on top of barely/not having insurance :lol:


it works out for me, since i have dual citizenship and have a DL for both Cali and Alberta. When i do get pulled over with the st205 i tell the cop im just visiting. No issues and usually cop lets me go with a warning. Then again its not my daily driver.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby 83841 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:51 pm

underscore wrote:Maybe the ones that stay over there are better, but the Albertans that come to my town are the worst drivers imaginable. They're either way too slow or drive like massive assholes, there's no in between haha


Yes your right the ones stay are better, we send the bad ones out to where they belong. :shock:
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby lumbercis » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:36 pm

It's not legal. No if's, ands, or buts. Do a google search for "impounded skyline" and you'll find out why. All those guys swore their cars were legal too. Everyone thinks they're smarter than the feds...they're not.

If you want to do it illegally, the easiest way seems to be to live in florida where they will state register just about anything. Or register it in a rural county where they don't have the time or resources to figure out what it is, and probably don't care.

If there's such a demand for these, someone should get a shop to make AWD conversion kits for ST204s. ATS successfully did an AWD conversion and said a swap kit didn't look like it would be too hard to make. But I'm not sure they saw much demand for it. Do a "group buy" list and get about 10 people that want a swap kit and then call ATS and see if you can get them to make one.

If you really don't care about legality, you could do a VIN swap, as long as you're okay with doing a little prison time if you get caught.

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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby underscore » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:20 am

83841 wrote:it works out for me, since i have dual citizenship and have a DL for both Cali and Alberta. When i do get pulled over with the st205 i tell the cop im just visiting. No issues and usually cop lets me go with a warning. Then again its not my daily driver.


Your insurance is likely invalid though, I'd hate to see what would happen if you get hit/hit someone.
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby Awesome-Trac » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:25 am

just buy two celica's...one ST205 and another Celica GT....remove the vin from the GT and put it on the 205! Once smog/registration is due switch vins back and there you go the solution to your problems :D "DO AT YOUR OWN RISK"
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Re: ST205 in the US?

Postby sammyw » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:38 am

awesome-trac wrote:just buy two celica's...one ST205 and another Celica GT....remove the vin from the GT and put it on the 205! Once smog/registration is due switch vins back and there you go the solution to your problems :D "DO AT YOUR OWN RISK"


For all of you considering this, even a little bit, isn't vin swapping a felony?
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