Street Brawler Kit from KO Racing

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Street Brawler Kit from KO Racing

Postby illGT4 » Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:24 pm

James Unger (acylon) has fit the Street Brawler Kit to his 165 w/ 2nd gen motor. He had to cut into the hood support because the ext. waste gate was hitting the hood.

What I'm trying to find out is whether or not it will fit a 185. I'm suspecting it will rub also. James was kind enough to provide pics and dimensions for me to measure.

BUT, if it rubs on the ATA 185 hood, is there a chance of additional clearance on the RC hood?

Thanks and here's a link to the street brawler kit for people who haven't seen it. http://www.koracing.net/products.html#streetbrawl
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Postby enzytebob » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:10 am

I hope it fits. It's a beautiful kit. KO is unwilling at this point to experiment fitting a SB on a ST185. They're doing good business right now supplying MR2's and find that the small number of Celicas do not warrant their attention, not right now anyway.

There are two guys who you can turn to: Aaron of ATS and Bill ($nocash$) of Autolab. ATS has a TD06 kit for the Alltrac. Awhile back, I got in contact with Autolab, which makes T3/T4 kits also for the MR2. While professing not to have made a kit for a Celica, Bill was willing to work with me and use me as a guinea pig to see if the modificatiion they would do to the Tial wastegate position on their Level 1 kit would clear my hood. I informed Bill that we were a largely untapped segment, not only here but around the world, that wanted to have an option other than a CT20 or a Greddy kit. I told him I was more than willing to be the first Celica owner with a $nocash$ kit under my hood! He said he had a fair idea of how to solve the clearance problem so we agreed that they were going to send me two exhaust manifolds: the one they usually make for the MR2 and the prototype for me and see which works best. But Bill was having some delivery issues with Tial that was delaying his making of the kits. A lot of MR2 owners were kept waiting including me. Bill was very apologetic about the whole thing but promised that his new wastegates would be worth the wait. Anyway, i finally gave up after waiting 2 months and respectfully canceled my order. I ended up getting a Greddy TD06 kit.

Bill is now turning out his kits so i guess his Tial problem is solved. If you want a Garrett under your hood, why don't you pick up where I left off? Bill is a great guy, btw. He has a loyal following of guys who swear by his kits.
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Postby illGT4 » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:43 am

enzytebob wrote:I hope it fits. It's a beautiful kit. KO is unwilling at this point to experiment fitting a SB on a ST185. They're doing good business right now supplying MR2's and find that the small number of Celicas do not warrant their attention, not right now anyway.

There are two guys who you can turn to: Aaron of ATS and Bill ($nocash$) of Autolab. ATS has a TD06 kit for the Alltrac. Awhile back, I got in contact with Autolab, which makes T3/T4 kits also for the MR2. While professing not to have made a kit for a Celica, Bill was willing to work with me and use me as a guinea pig to see if the modificatiion they would do to the Tial wastegate position on their Level 1 kit would clear my hood. I informed Bill that we were a largely untapped segment, not only here but around the world, that wanted to have an option other than a CT20 or a Greddy kit. I told him I was more than willing to be the first Celica owner with a $nocash$ kit under my hood! He said he had a fair idea of how to solve the clearance problem so we agreed that they were going to send me two exhaust manifolds: the one they usually make for the MR2 and the prototype for me and see which works best. But Bill was having some delivery issues with Tial that was delaying his making of the kits. A lot of MR2 owners were kept waiting including me. Bill was very apologetic about the whole thing but promised that his new wastegates would be worth the wait. Anyway, i finally gave up after waiting 2 months and respectfully canceled my order. I ended up getting a Greddy TD06 kit.

Bill is now turning out his kits so i guess his Tial problem is solved. If you want a Garrett under your hood, why don't you pick up where I left off? Bill is a great guy, btw. He has a loyal following of guys who swear by his kits.


Thanks for the info! I'll look into it.
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Postby Zeus » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:51 pm

yeah chris i talked to bill as well back in the day about his manifolds.. he had mentioned that if it didnt fit he would take the mani back and refund my money... i was pretty impressed by that

ide love to see one of his mani's on my car one day... heck ide like to see anyones mani on my car :P

I know the stocker can flow good hp... but i dont like the adapter set up really... im sure its going to work and work fine but ehh.. its a temp solution in my books
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Postby enzytebob » Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:03 pm

Zeus wrote:yeah chris i talked to bill as well back in the day about his manifolds.. he had mentioned that if it didnt fit he would take the mani back and refund my money... i was pretty impressed by that

ide love to see one of his mani's on my car one day... heck ide like to see anyones mani on my car :P

I know the stocker can flow good hp... but i dont like the adapter set up really... im sure its going to work and work fine but ehh.. its a temp solution in my books


Don't understand what you mean by not liking the adapter setup. Did you mean the adapter that is sandwiched between the original flange and the turbo or the wastegate adapter that is welded onto the manifold? Unfortunately right now all non-Toyota turbo kits sold by either KO, ATS, or Autolab have exhaust manfold-to-turbo adaptors in their kits except maybe for those who request specially-made tubular headers (like $nocash$'s level 2 kit) where you can probably request a Greddy or Garrett flange (aren't they the same?) be welded on directly to the collector. But this now might present a minor fitment problem with the supplied downpipe which I'm sure is measured to mate up with the b-pipe taking the adapter plate thickness into consideration. But we're just talking a quarter of an inch here so it may be no big deal.

As far as the adaptor for the wastegate is concerned, unless you opt for an internal wastegate setup, there's no way of getting around it I guess. You could get LB's adaptor which doesn't require you to bore a hole on the manifold.

I heard people talking about the Greddy TD06SH kit w/ the internal wastegate having boost creep problems. I have the same kit with a 3-inch exhaust all the way, except for maybe the first 5 inches of the Greddy dp w/c looks like it's 2.5 then widens to 3". I'm not experiencing any boost creep. Boost needle stays nailed at 15psi under all WOT conditions. I just must be one of the lucky ones, i guess.
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Postby Zeus » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:48 pm

no nactually herman said the same thing... he has the tdo6 kit and doesnt have nay issues with creep... he thinks its cuase the celica has more backpressure than the mr2 and that helps keep things in check

Im currently running the ats racing adapter for my gt30 again... in reality i guess there is nothing wrong with it.. but i dont think its ideal

maybe ill learn to weld then make my own mani :)
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Postby tweekgt4 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:20 pm

the creep thing was from bad actuators...

some of the mr2 guys also wentt a step further and ported out the wg port.

my kit had no problems. it hold boost as far as i can tell. no spikes or creeping issues.

you get the turbo, adapter to manifold, dp, oil lines, and some misc hardware in the kit.
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Postby illGT4 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:53 pm

Back on topic. :P

the sb kit.. does anyone know if there is more clearance in the 185 ?

what about with RC hood?

Can anyone measure for me with the RC? Herman? Griffin? Josh? Godzilla?
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Postby tweekgt4 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:55 pm

i know ATS made a alltrac adapter for the WG under the mani...

can kO supply the kit with the WG under the mani?

i don't have an RC hood...
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Postby illGT4 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:06 pm

tweekgt4 wrote:i know ATS made a alltrac adapter for the WG under the mani...

can kO supply the kit with the WG under the mani?

i don't have an RC hood...




Yeah, they can't reposition it. (KO)

I forgot you don't have an RC hood.. my fault. :P
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Postby ebon » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:45 pm

hi. could you send me the pics of the SB on the 165.

I've got a RC hood.

eyeballing it. it just might fit.

the thing is if you remove the "vent portion and air scoop" panel on CS hood.and swap in a raised custom panel. i think it will be a safe bet it will fit.
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Postby illGT4 » Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:24 pm

ebon wrote:hi. could you send me the pics of the SB on the 165.

I've got a RC hood.

eyeballing it. it just might fit.

the thing is if you remove the "vent portion and air scoop" panel on CS hood.and swap in a raised custom panel. i think it will be a safe bet it will fit.


I'll post them here for discussion...
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Postby enzytebob » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:35 pm

The KO Tial wastegate setup is such that the outlet is part of the adaptor design. The short pipe is angled upwards so when you attach the Tial, you end up with a high-positioned wastegate, hence the clearance problem for the Alltrac which obviously is not a problem for the MR2.

As a point of comparison, look at Autolab's way of making their wastgate on their Level 1 system.
http://www.autolabonline.com/images/tur ... td06_5.JPG

The short pipe adaptor is welded directly on the manifold and angled frontwards. This looks like it will clear any Alltrac hood but will it hit the radiator? (BTW, Bill has announced that he is discontinuing the Level 1 Kit.)

Which takes us now to his Level 2 kit which employs a custom exhaust.

http://www.autolabonline.com/images/turbokits/mani2.JPG

Look at the way the wastegate pipe is angled. It makes a hard right, which I think is good news for us Alltrac owners. This most certainly will not hit the hood. The question again is.. will it hit the radiator? I think not. The downside to level 2 is the price.. $2,400
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Postby ebon » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:27 pm

My link to my piping from my FMIC.
http://community.webshots.com/album/189894746RXXWsq

if you look at the piping. i reckon its about the height of the tial wastegate. my piping is rubbing the hood a bit.
if you're familiar with the CS hood. its the portion just anterior to the
vent.

will try and get some measurements later.

anywaz looks like its a no go for me with the SB kit.
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Postby illGT4 » Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:15 am

Thanks for the support!
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