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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby polm » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:46 pm

Rpz123isme wrote:I have used that kit in several motors, one of which is my own, the first motor i put that kit in several years and thousands of miles of hard abuse later its still running great. I boost 18 psi on mine with zero mechanical problems. And a member on here has a motor i built with that kit, he aswell will tell you its good quality. But hey its your money and car, do what you please. (its not like im a machinist useing these kits daily in all types and brands of motors, with zero failures in the past 3 years).

Like I said it's just a google search, I'm no pro either. I'm not saying that your opinion is not valuable, I'm just saying that some people have had problems with the kit. As always, the ones that are satisfied rarely post, only the ones that have had troubles. No offense intended, I'm just making my homework before I buy.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:32 pm

And all im trying to do as a machinist is help u with your research. You might also note that some of these back yard engine rebuilders are saying je pistons suck. So just check the credability of your home work. And i understand you are not trying to be a dick. But a non dickish way to go about what you said. Would be, "thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with these kits, how ever im looking for something a little better built" (if thats how you feel.) Anywho good luck on your quest.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:35 pm

As am i which is why i posted this. I saw the threads on nicoclub and dsm websites too, as well as nasioc and honda-tech. They do seem to vary but i saw none for 3sgte's which is why i posted.

Rpz, for the kit you posted, would they be able to get an st205 timing belt, as i want to run the 98 5s oil pump. I messaged them but they haven't responded. and i appreciate your help

I Think i wil be wanting the st165 bottom end kit with the st185 head kit, substituting the 5s oil pump and an st205 timing belt, if they have it.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:37 pm

The timing belt im sure is a no, and it would be cheaper for u to just get the kit for a 90 plus and buy the rear main seal at a local parts store. The pistons are the same in both kits so realy the rear main is the only diff. And my honest opinion on the kit is its good quality, just dont use the pan gasket. Use silicon. And if you want a mls head gasket order a good one. The composit gasket in the kit is fine, it is just as good as oe. But everyone knows the oe gasket is indeed a weak point.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:39 pm

Ohh and you dont need to sub the pump, you will be wasting your money. It comes with a 5s pump already.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:41 pm

If anything ill gain a slight bump in compression as st165's are 8.5:1 and st185's are 8.8. I do want the oil pump though but if its too hard i wont bother
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:06 am

Do you mean it comes with the highest flowing pump for that year? Because a 98+ oil pump has 2 less teeth and needs a 1 tooth shorter timing belt. So i dont know how it would come with the 98 one, but if a 5s pump in general is a high flow pump and i dont have to worry about timing belt stuff, that would be much easier.

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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:42 am

Any 5s pump is better then a 3s, using the 98+ pump only changes flow by spinning it faster. I run the reg 5s pump in my 3s and it flows great! Unless you want rpms above 8.5 and hp over 550. The 5s pump in the kit is just fine. Above those numbers i would sugest forged everything an a added sump oil pump or high volume oil pan, and about 6 or 7k worth of other upgrades to make the thing run right and safe.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:44 am

Lastly grab some 88 gts cams at a local junk yard for more flow for a little coin.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:22 am

Im only planning on going to about 350whp if i can, since you've used these, do you think the pistons would survive? Im planning on doing arp head studs and cometic HG, but i want to stay "stock" for the internals. Any suggestions?

Just looking for advice and trying to see what works for those who still love their cars but have a tighter wallet
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:54 am

Yes. At 350 the gasket and oem head bolts are fine. Im pushing more then that with out any problems.
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:10 am

interesting. do you have a build sheet or anything so i can try to compare apples to apples
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby Rpz123isme » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:52 pm

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=42125

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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby brutekiller787 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:56 pm

Yea i read that last night. Sounds like you know what your doing. Thanks for the advice. Hopefully my next class will be custom engine building so i can get this done and take some pictures
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Re: rebuild kit question

Postby UtahSleeper » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:26 pm

Bump......cause I can lol.

So, I went on ebay after reading here and put together my own list with prices and questions. Am I missing anything? Any recommendations? This is for stock rebuild that I would be content with if I ever hit 300 hp.

Rebuild kit(pistons, bearings, etc)
493 http://www.ebay.com/itm/230814633902

Bottom end gasket kit
65 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cometic-StreetPro-Bottom-End-Gasket-Kit-3SGTE-TOYOTA-MR2-/291061867398?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c4a3a386&vxp=mtr

Top end gasket kit - Is the 87 mm bore an issue with a stock rebuild?
153 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cometic-StreetPro-Top-End-Gasket-Kit-3SG-3SGTE-TOYOTA-MR2-All-Trac-Celica-/271319926978?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2bed88c2&vxp=mtr

Water pump/Timing - Would this timing belt work with a 5sfe oil pump
87 http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-95-2-0L-Toyota-DOHC-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-3SGTE-/360375899471?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e813d54f&vxp=mtr

5sfe oil pump - I assume this would work for bumping the oil pressure
49 http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-00-Toyota-RAV4-2-0L-Celica-GT-2-2L-DOHC-Oil-Pump-3SFE-5SFE-/370965797438?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item565f48da3e&vxp=mtr

Head bolts - Is it really needed to go ARP if your not looking to exceed 300 hp?
23 http://www.ebay.com/itm/86-95-Toyota-Celica-GTS-MR2-2-0L-DOHC-Head-Bolt-Set-3SGTE-3SGELC-/281092342164?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417268c194&vxp=mtr
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