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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:36 pm

If you're running 17x9, definitelly go with 275 for the track... Mustang guys put 275's on an 8" rim all the time..... so with 9" it should be perfect....
For the streets, I would go with 245...and even that will be a little "streched" on the 9" rims...
For the track go with 275 or even 295 if you somehow clear the struts and fenders.... :wink:
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:59 pm

I am curious how your going to fir 275 under those fenders, but please post pics when you do. What profile will you run?

I would roll and slightly flare/ pull the fenders. If you look at some nice pics of the wrc 185 you can see how they did this.
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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:17 pm

I will definitelly post pics.....the tires are ordered so they better fit... :D
Also, I have full coilover setup so the perches are not in the way like on a stock strut... I was running hoosier 245 45 17 for a couple of years now with room to spare.... :wink:
If I have to, I will roll the fenders, but the offset on these wheels is 38 so I am going to try to tuck them in as far as they'll go...
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:03 pm

So, when is this going to happen? I can hardly wait to see it?
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Postby gtfour77 » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:23 pm

Well, everything should be here by this Friday....should be put on by Saturday.... and we have an autocross on Sunday.....really can't wait.
Do you ever autocross your car? How far are you from Charleston WV? You should come down sometime!! It would be an honor to have another alltrac running with us!
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:58 pm

Its about 5-6 hours from here to downtown Charleston.

Used to date a girl thee and shop at gabes. :doh:

I autox'ed the car till I blew up the engine.

I ran less than stock power on skinny street tires and still made people want to buy my car.

Should have the 205 motor done this weekend.. (I hope)

Then a proper alignment. I know the geometry is way off.

And then when I get this hub thing sorted, I will borrow some ss impalla wheels with R compound for autox. (17x8.5 25et)

I ran the Z in autox this year and one track event. I plan on running the Celica at every event next year. And the cobra club rents tracks and lets others attend. So the car will get some proper use next year.

Hope to get the car down to 3,000lbs this next year as well.
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Postby gtfour77 » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:06 pm

Let us know how the motor project is coming along!!! If you ever come down this way, let me know, you would be more than welcome to stay at my place and go autocrossing the next day....we start new season in January and the only month we don't run is December...

Also, the wheels won't be here till monday, but I'll be posting pictures and review as soon as I get them on....monday...lol Already got the tires, and wow, the 275's are really wide...I know they will be sticking out a bit..oh well...good thing I have coilovers so I can adjust in case it starts rubbing the fender...I think the rear will be ok, but the fronts might require a llittle engineering thinking...(spacers, spring adjustment, citting maybe... :shock: )
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:51 pm

I don't think our ETR scca events start up again till March. I know that Nashville has an event tomorrow.

You need to come down to a cobra event next year. They rent out this oval track and setup cones and make it into a banked autox track.

Some were coming around the bank over 90mph. It tends to be an all day event, you get at least 6 runs and it only costs 35 bucks.

Best bang for buck racing I have ever done. They always limit the slots to 30 some odd cars. But I will keep you posted next year when they pick back up.

I am still working on the car. Hope to see it running the next week. Trust, everyone will know when it its.
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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:09 am

Sounds great, definitelly keep us posted about the cobra event. Sounds like a lot of fun...
Well the wheels are going to be here tomorrow so I should have some pics and info about fitment....Going to pick them up at UPS in the morning so should have some info by noon time... :wink:
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:20 pm

1:20 Eastern? Whats the news. :shrug:
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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:22 pm

Ok...here are the pictures....

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Tires are Hoosier 275-40-17 with the Sportmax 17x9 rims....fits like a glove, no bulging of the tire like on the 17x7 rim with 245 45 17 tires....
Offset is 38 and the rim and tire combo fits pefect in the rear with a 1" spacer...which everyone should have anyway...
The fronts almost fit, a 10mm or so(3/8 inch) spacer is required. Really, the 30 offset in the front would be ideal. The 275 series tire sticks out just a bit, but with stiffer springs (like mine...550lb moroso springs) this should not be a problem. The 245 series tire would fit without any problem I suspect...the 275 tire is considerably wider and will provide better performance if someone wants to really get into racing...like myself... :D
Also remember I have a full coilover conversion with koni shocks and 2.5 inch diameter springs...I really don't think this would be even close to fitting on stock suspension...just a friendly warning for those trying to fit big wheels on their stock Alltrac...
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:40 pm

Thats fricken awesome. I love it. You got to get some pics of the whole car futher away when you get a chance.

What does the tire hit in the front?

Have you tried to turn the wheels and check the rub?

Test drove it yet?
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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:57 pm

I only mounted one tire so far....I will have more pics as soon as I get the rest mounted... I did the one in my garage with some diy tools and it really is a pain with the stiff hoosier sidewalls... :doh:
The currect spacer is about 3/8th thick and I am still getting a slight rubbing on the spring....I'll try to get a pic later this evening. It is basically too close to the strut... My springs are 10" long and come down enough to cause clearance problems for the tires....the wheel fits just fine... Should not be a problem with a 10 or 15mm spacer.... I think the fender will be ok, I might lift the car up maybe 1/4 inch and see what kind of rubbing I get in turns....good thing the coilovers are adjustable... :D
I will go for a quick ride this evening and check for the rest of the clearances....
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:49 pm

If I go with 255's maybe when we get together we can test as to how we can affect handling by having wider front or rear tires.
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Postby gtfour77 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:57 pm

I think keeping all the tires the same would increase the performance level...with our cars being so well balanced. ( and I am not sure how well the AWD would like the diferent tires (diameter or weight) though it should be ok for autocross...
I think the best way to tune a car for any type of racing is through shocks and tire pressures. (cars already equipped with rear swaybar and poly bushings... Oh yeah, I forgot, ALIGNMENT!!!! lol
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