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***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby tubasteve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:11 am

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Dear alltrac.net I've found a solution, it's taken three years, 30+ rotors and lots off my time. I felt like the great mouse detective, but tonight I ended my search.

The front rotors require zero machine work, zero shiming, zero drilling(you could make them 5x100 very easily,I would've I'd the scion tc wheels fit!) The clearance ball joint to rotor is approx 5mm at full lock. The caliper/spindle need 2mm to be shaved.

The rears are exact bolt on, no bs, nothing.

When I got my front calipers I didn't get 205 rotors which made it ALLOT harder cause I was using other people's measurements from all over the inform nets.

My biggest problem is wheels, I've found a buddys alltrac that they fit.

It all started when I was writing my second job, guy brings new a rotor to turn...bam, it looked right, I've handled so many rotors by then I could eye ball size. It was spot on for the rears, then the fronts were the trick, over 100 hours off running numbers, making exceptions, and then in the middle of work, bam.

I'm not disclosing what I did, or am using for this obvious reason...I've spent so much money and time, it wasn't free to me or my wife. You COULD find out the way I did. But I'm unfairly nut going to post what it is. Several users have bugged for months, so here's proof.

The biggy is hub centering rings! The only down side to this, and longer studs.


For around $175 you can get all the rotors I used, I just bought another hub set fir $150 then calipers are around 5-600 if you aren't as lucky as I've been.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby tubasteve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:13 am

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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby mx6er2587 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:32 am

Way to be a douchebag.

How much information and knowledge have you taken for free from this site? Do you you think the people who originally posted it were compensated for their time and hard work? Do you think they didn't invest any money into learning about these cars? This is a community. A place where information is supposed to be shared. Ideas exchanged. Instead you leach from the site and brag about not returning the favor.

Its great that you've figured this out, but don't expect a single post singing your praises. You've added no value to this forum.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby Lamont » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:49 am

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: If anyone wants to upgrade their brakes like this get the 90-93 Celica Revolution Willwood Big Brake Kit direct bolt on for the Alltrac retails for around $900-$1000 and get ST205 rear calipers and rotors from EBay roughly $400-$600 for your rear setup also direct bolt on with the use of a .5mm or .020" thick shim between the 54.1mm hub bore and the 55mm ST205 rotor hub bore. There you go :wink: :wink: originally the purpose of converting to 5x114.3 was due to not having many wheel options for 5x100. Now with the launch of the FR-S/BRZ more 5x100 options are becoming available all the time so the conversion is not as appealing as it once was. Not going to bash the original poster for keeping secrets, but it does seem pointless to post this on the forum without full disclosure :? .
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby tubasteve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:26 pm

This is exactly why, cause every time I bring something to the table you all act like Honda/Subaru owners. Things I've gotten off this site, not enough for how much I've spent. I've done allot of what others haven't or won't. Clearly upset, what does it matter? If you don't need or want, the second poster just took away any feature of me adding the info after I've made sure I'm happy.

I pioneered the hub change. Front and rear with brakes.

So, if this is how it'll be.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby warmachine » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:06 pm

look dude, it doesnt matter what you drive. (act like honda/subaru owners?) there is simply no point to post pictures and explain how long it took you to figure it out, and how great and talented you are, and not exchange any of the detailed info. if you just want to flex go pop your collar and go to the club. We all work hard to modify and swap parts around on our Toyotas. I also work hard to modifly and swap parts around on my Honda, and on my Subaru. I don't share a lot of it because i simply dont have time to brag about how many solutions ive found to problems that others have said are impossible.

this is a community formed to help one another, if you dont want to share then dont share, simple as that
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby lumbercis » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:18 pm

Could you rewrite the first post in english? I'm not even sure what you've done yet. :|

If this is what I think it is, I wouldn't be averse to purchasing a kit from you if you want to make back some of your investment, but you'd have to at least release what kind of rotors are being used so I could order replacements when they wear out. Otherwise if you drop off the face of the earth or decide it's no longer worth it to sell the kits, I'd be stuck with a brake kit I can't maintain.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby tubasteve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:26 pm

Well put, my reason for being rude myself if every time, everything ive put forth, seems to be put down as not real, not happening. I'm just showing it can be done. If in the future I am over all happy with it, fully tested I'm going to consider posting, but right now, no.

I like to brag about what I did cause I can, btw I hate clubs. I'd prefer to hear loud engines running on alcohol vs loud music and alcohol.

I understand we all share. I do share, I've made a ton of things and added them here. When I'm good and ready maybe a week or so I am planning is doing a write up, but not until it's driven on.

I'm not sharing cause I don't. Everything in the past I've shared. As far as no time...I work two full time jobs, and my Celica every ounce of time after that. I can see why everyone is upset, but I want to do it completely first. Granted the Honda Subaru forums are much harsher.

Do respect the fact I have what I intend to share.

The crap shot is the fronts aren't from a performance wielding car, therefore rotors if drilled= slotted, or even coated are eBay only really, the rears are also kind of the same story.

I used cad design to fit allot of my rotors before purchase.

Sorry for the confusion. I'm ultimately going to share, but not until it's mounted behind a wheel, driven, and torn down again. Then I'll show step by step. My wife is in and out of the er the last two nights, I've been trying to share something happy, but I can't as of right now.:geek:
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby tubasteve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:34 pm

Should I even bother with a write up? Honestly
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Postby fussellbug » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:50 am

I'm sure there are many on this forum who would like to see a write up of what you used for the 205 brake setup. Your initial post just wasn't well worded and ruffled some feathers. If you have the time and are willing to share what you've learned, please do. I for one am always interested to see the solutions, modifications, and unique fabrication made by forum members.
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Postby GT4times2 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:32 pm

tubasteve wrote:Well put, my reason for being rude myself if every time, everything ive put forth, seems to be put down as not real, not happening. I'm just showing it can be done. If in the future I am over all happy with it, fully tested I'm going to consider posting, but right now, no.

I like to brag about what I did cause I can, btw I hate clubs. I'd prefer to hear loud engines running on alcohol vs loud music and alcohol.

I understand we all share. I do share, I've made a ton of things and added them here. When I'm good and ready maybe a week or so I am planning is doing a write up, but not until it's driven on.

I'm not sharing cause I don't. Everything in the past I've shared. As far as no time...I work two full time jobs, and my Celica every ounce of time after that. I can see why everyone is upset, but I want to do it completely first. Granted the Honda Subaru forums are much harsher.

Do respect the fact I have what I intend to share.

The crap shot is the fronts aren't from a performance wielding car, therefore rotors if drilled= slotted, or even coated are eBay only really, the rears are also kind of the same story.

I used cad design to fit allot of my rotors before purchase.

Sorry for the confusion. I'm ultimately going to share, but not until it's mounted behind a wheel, driven, and torn down again. Then I'll show step by step. My wife is in and out of the er the last two nights, I've been trying to share something happy, but I can't as of right now.:geek:



While being happy for you and your paid off research (through trial and error), posting your findings and not sharing anything past that, is really showing off/bragging on a juvenile level.

You have every right to do what you are doing, although done in poor taste. I'm not one to get into piss matches with anyone on these forums. I'm here to do a few things:

1. Learn from others
2. Share (what I find and know) with others.
3. Continue with what Alltrac.net is really about. A forum; a small family so to speak. Here to build lasting relationships/friendships helping one another.

I'm still happy you got it to work for you. I don't care for it, since I'm staying 5x100 (too many wheels options out there now), but I'm sure others may stand to benefit from your hard work.

I'm sure if people like Pat, Trevor & BADNEW5 to name a few had the same mindset, we would see less progress with an already rare platform.

Again, you're free to do what you like. Hope your wife feels better. I know the stresses associated with 2 jobs and holding down a family. I'm in the same boat, minus a wife. Every time you think you have it hard, someone else had it worse. These moments humble us and force us to refocus. :)

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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby underscore » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:30 pm

I know Steve has many, many hours into trying to make 5x114.3 work or our cars, people have been saying the FT86 will bring us better 5x100 wheels for ages, but I doubt that. How much have we gotten from all the 5x100 Subarus? Crap all.

From this:

tubasteve wrote:Sorry for the confusion. I'm ultimately going to share, but not until it's mounted behind a wheel, driven, and torn down again. Then I'll show step by step.


I think Steve wants to be sure this works and doesn't accidentally damage something unforseen before other members start performing any modifications.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby GT4times2 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:54 pm

underscore wrote:I know Steve has many, many hours into trying to make 5x114.3 work or our cars, people have been saying the FT86 will bring us better 5x100 wheels for ages, but I doubt that. How much have we gotten from all the 5x100 Subarus? Crap all.

From this:

tubasteve wrote:Sorry for the confusion. I'm ultimately going to share, but not until it's mounted behind a wheel, driven, and torn down again. Then I'll show step by step.


I think Steve wants to be sure this works and doesn't accidentally damage something unforseen before other members start performing any modifications.



I think you're mistaken. There are so many options for 5x100 these days. If you were thinking about Subarus to get more wheels to bring better options for the Celica crowd, you're limiting yourself. The VW crowd has some of the best looking wheels on their cars and most are 5x100. Look at their set ups. The FR-S will only make things better. It all depends on what you're looking for. I don't know what you're looking for, but I can't make up my mind when it comes to wheels for my ST165s, my ST185 and ST202. Too many wheels out there.

At this point, going through the headache of converting to 5x114.3 is so not worth it (for me and others anyways). I don't want to keep referencing to Pat and TJdouble, but they're running 5x100 and have some really nice set ups. You will see more interesting set ups in the near future. I will post pics once I order my next set of wheels and start my project thread.

About Steve, it's all good he managed to make it work for him, but it's still in poor taste to come and brag about something that's not even done and tested. Just do it, test it and if you want to share it, share it. If not, just move on and not come on a forum with a prick'ish attitude about it.
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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby freddie » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:01 am

Congratulations Steve.
You have found the holy grail.

I for one can patiently sit back while you find out whether it is the real deal or not..

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Re: ***ST205 bolt on usa available 5x114.3 front and rear

Postby underscore » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:56 am

GT4times2 wrote:I think you're mistaken. There are so many options for 5x100 these days. If you were thinking about Subarus to get more wheels to bring better options for the Celica crowd, you're limiting yourself. The VW crowd has some of the best looking wheels on their cars and most are 5x100. Look at their set ups. The FR-S will only make things better. It all depends on what you're looking for. I don't know what you're looking for, but I can't make up my mind when it comes to wheels for my ST165s, my ST185 and ST202. Too many wheels out there.


IMO most of the things VW owners do to their cars look like crap, including the wheels. The number of 5x100 wheels out there is decent, but it's nowhere near what you can find for 5x114. My experience has been quite the opposite of yours, nearly every other wheel I've liked is 5x114 only.

GT4times2 wrote:About Steve, it's all good he managed to make it work for him, but it's still in poor taste to come and brag about something that's not even done and tested. Just do it, test it and if you want to share it, share it. If not, just move on and not come on a forum with a prick'ish attitude about it.


I'm glad he posted it even if it is untested yet, albeit I'm one of the guys that was also trying to figure this out, so him letting us know it looks like he found the solution lets me stop looking. If you were trying to find an answer to a problem wouldn't you want to know someone else may have found the solution?
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