Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:47 am

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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:50 am

Sad to say it will not be a bolt on affair. There will be some maching of your hub and a small amount to the rotor. THe stupid legacy rotor has a lip that hits the parking brake bracket. Small things that your local Napa should be able to do on a lathe.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:58 am

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Started modeling up for the rear bracket
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:22 am

Put the rear on hold since it looks like that rear caliper is not going to work after all, but I did get the rotor to fit really good.

So I switched to the fronts and it's looking good. Let me know if you guys would be interested in buying brackets for the front. I can get quotes from shops to machine these parts if you guys are interested. Remember these calipers are only $70 each and the rotors are about $50.

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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby C-dubb » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:39 am

Is this only for st165 application?
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:51 am

from my understanding it should work on the 185 also. I don't see why it wouldn't since the brake calipers are interchangeable.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby MWP » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:53 am

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I hope those adapter bolt things have been hardened!
If its just turned mild steel, i would be very worried.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby athousandleaves » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:41 pm

So how many mm of clearance do you have from the rotor face to the ball joint?
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby mx6er2587 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:19 pm

also I would have gone with hardened 10.9 bolts instead of those 8.8s
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby underscore » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:51 pm

athousandleaves wrote:So how many mm of clearance do you have from the rotor face to the ball joint?


This is a very good question. Also what kind of performance brake pads are available for those calipers? Anything that would stand up to a track day?
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:48 pm

MWP wrote:I hope those adapter bolt things have been hardened!
If its just turned mild steel, i would be very worried.


Is there a reason they should be hardened? It's in pure shear from my understanding.

mx6er2587 wrote:also I would have gone with hardened 10.9 bolts instead of those 8.8s


Yes! they are only for mockup. This is what is taking the heavy shear load.

athousandleaves wrote:So how many mm of clearance do you have from the rotor face to the ball joint?


Looked sufficient when I mounted it, didn't check when I dropped it thought.

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athousandleaves wrote:So how many mm of clearance do you have from the rotor face to the ball joint?


This is a very good question. Also what kind of performance brake pads are available for those calipers? Anything that would stand up to a track day?


Read the first page, EBC and many other companies make performance brake pads.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby athousandleaves » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:25 pm

bajallama wrote: Looked sufficient when I mounted it, didn't check when I dropped it thought.


While this might fit a 165 I really doubt that it will work on the 185. From what I can recall they have a different lower ball joint setup. The STi rotor is noticeably too close to the ball joint (~2-5mm) and will rub on the rotor when cornering.

In my opinion, the stock 185/165 brakes are PERFECTLY FINE for a road going car that sees spirited drives occasionally. If you're tracking your car then put down the money for a real brake kit that is safe enough for the road and track or just do your own DIY thing and trailer the car to the track.

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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby bajallama » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:35 pm

athousandleaves wrote:
bajallama wrote: Looked sufficient when I mounted it, didn't check when I dropped it thought.


While this might fit a 165 I really doubt that it will work on the 185. From what I can recall they have a different lower ball joint setup. The STi rotor is noticeably too close to the ball joint (~2-5mm) and will rub on the rotor when cornering.

In my opinion, the stock 185/165 brakes are PERFECTLY FINE for a road going car that sees spirited drives occasionally. If you're tracking your car then put down the money for a real brake kit that is safe enough for the road and track or just do your own DIY thing and trailer the car to the track.

Safety isn't about what's good enough.


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I took my car on a "spirited drive" last night and I had complete fade within about 8 minutes in a downhill. Pumping brakes while facing a guard rail is no fun! Too me, that is far from safe! And don't say I need new pads or fluid, cause the heat is still there! It's not going anywhere, ya higher temp fluid may help but its a band aid fix IMO. I drive this car the way it was supposed to be, I don't "cruise" the canyons or tracks at all. I used to have a Starlet with stock AE86 brakes on it and I NEVER had braking problems. I drive this car the same I did that one and the brakes are terrible in comparison.


How is this not a "real brake kit"? This is the SAME monoblock caliper TRD used for it's upgrade on the Altezza and Supra variants!

http://my.is/forums/f89/trd-gurus-trd-brakes-supra-trd-monobloc-471633/index2.html

OEM quality man, far better than chinese Wilwoods or KSports.

For the 185 issue, I have read here guys have no issue running the STi rotor, but some do. Why not switch to the older ball joint maybe? I have no idea, but I have a couple friends with 185's that probably wouldn't mind me test fitting.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby MWP » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:32 pm

bajallama wrote:
MWP wrote:I hope those adapter bolt things have been hardened!
If its just turned mild steel, i would be very worried.

Is there a reason they should be hardened? It's in pure shear from my understanding.


Its not in clamped shear (how calipers are normally mounted) as your two turned steel 90deb bolt things are taking *all* the load in a small area.

The more i think about it, the more incredibly unsafe i think they are!
Even if they were hardened, they will still fail... i have little doubt about that.

Make proper dog-bone adapters.
Easy to do and they will be safe.
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Re: Baller on a Budget BBK (BBBBK)

Postby ZeroDrift » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Is the caliper cast aluminum or steel?
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