Silly question really...

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Silly question really...

Postby Franly » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:15 am

Wondering if an ST165 or ST185's front end would bolt on to an 89 Camry non-alltrac. Trying replace the suspension in hopes to convert it to an All-trac. With custom work, of course.
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Re: Silly question really...

Postby phattyduck » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:38 pm

The front end has nothing to do with whether the car is AWD or not. The complete floorpan is different on a Camry FWD vs. Alltrac. Don't even go there. Go find a good Camry Alltrac and start there - they do exist.

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Re: Silly question really...

Postby MWP » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:53 am

No chance.
The early Camrys have a rather bad front suspension setup that isnt easily fixed.
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Re: Silly question really...

Postby gt4tified » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:33 pm

MWP wrote:No chance.
The early Camrys have a rather bad front suspension setup that isnt easily fixed.

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Re: Silly question really...

Postby phattyduck » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:29 pm

MWP wrote:No chance.
The early Camrys have a rather bad front suspension setup that isnt easily fixed.
Its very similar to an MR2 rear suspension, oddly enough... And yes, I would best describe it as a 'compromised' design. :shoots:

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Re: Silly question really...

Postby MWP » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:19 am

Do MR2s only have a single fixed point LCA and use the sway bar as a caster rod?
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Re: Silly question really...

Postby phattyduck » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:43 pm

MWP wrote:Do MR2s only have a single fixed point LCA and use the sway bar as a caster rod?
They have a caster rod and a separate swaybar. A toe control rod replaces the steering rack, of course.

MR2 rear:
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My Camry Alltrac (best photo I could find):
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Lower ball joint is the same PN, and the arm looks almost exactly the same (though isn't quite).

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Re: Silly question really...

Postby MWP » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:41 am

Ah yeah, ok.
The MR2s is a fairly standard McPherson strut setup.

The Camry is a cheap ass McPherson strut setup.
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Re: Silly question really...

Postby Franly » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:50 pm

Wow, thanks for the feedback. And yeah, it's because it's bad that I want to swap it. New struts all around, strutmounts, bushings. Nothing seems to work except possibly changing the springs. If I'm going to spend alittle, might as well go all out, if you know what I mean. Oh well, it was worth a try, I'll look around for a Camry Alltrac partout (Which would kill me to see one) and see if I have any luck. Thanks again guys, I'll use the pictures as reference as what to do to "Fix" the front end suspension.
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