Custom parts from T3 for the 5th gen celica

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Custom parts from T3 for the 5th gen celica

Postby Cuttyman9 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:08 am

I've been working with Techno Toy Tuning to bring more to the 5th gen culture (and indirectly to 4th and 6th gens too).

So far they have adjustable rear control arms in stock, I've been testing the prototype for roughly 2 months now with no problems and much better control of the rear of the car.

Currently I'm working with them to bring roll center adjusters to the table in the form of an extended ball joint (to reduce bump steer) and also top plates for the struts to allow adjustment of camber on cars that don't have coilovers and also some that provide caster adjustment for the front of the cars.

I'm curious how much interest there is in more suspension related components, maybe even some engine related stuff and body if the market is there. they are working on stocking rear visors for hatchbacks, there is a good deal of demand for coupe visors as well but so far there is no one in the area (Sacramento, Ca) to experiment and test on.


Also if anyone is interested in a 5th gen group on facebook PM me, its the best way to influence whats built for these at T3 and to see what comes out.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby ALLensTRAC » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:07 am

Ahhh so your the one T3 has been prototyping stuff on!! We would all love the roll center adjusters! They sent me an email in response and told me they had a 5th gen in for testing. Do you have any pics for the ball joint? Also look at the bump steer thread in handling and braking. It was created by gtfour77 but CMS took it over and was working with T3 for the ball joint. There is quite a bit of interest in this!!!

I'm sure they could sell an arm kit for the alltrac too but it would be different to a fwd 5th gen. Do you have any pics of your arm set? What size heims did they use? High misalignment or standard? Any idea on materials used?
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Cuttyman9 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:14 am

haha yeah I'm the one working on prototypes for all this stuff. I've built a group on facebook all about getting these ideas brought out to make these cars grip the road for 5th gens only cuz I feel they are under represented or they only are shown with gaudy paint and body bits.

I've been talking to CMS about a lot of different things, there's a few things in the air right now.
the ball joints are my main priority because they suit Alltracs and fwd Celicas as well as 4th and 6th gens as well and the cars really need them if they are lowered. I've hashed out the tie rod flip in the form of MR2 parts, so they don't offer a kit per say but they offer half of the parts.

The part I've had trouble with is they aren't making these parts priority. I've been using the group to get people to send bunches of emails to draw in some motivation and I know of one guy who's bought the st184 links outside of mine yet they seem to be more focused elsewhere. I should be visiting this next week (they ordered parts to make adjustable sway bar end links) and I will be measuring a few things so I can have them build some camber plates for our chassis (and caster adjustable front ones) (while I was there I found AW11 rear ones are almost the same as my celica rear ones)

The links use 5/8" heim joints with stainless reducers to fit either the supplied bolts or the stock bolts, the links are 6061 I believe and are 1" in diameter.
The effect the have on the car (mines paired with an ST rear sway bar and megan racing coilovers) is huge, they make the rear much more solid.


I've had people offer to send in parts off their cars to make alltrac stuff from but I think its better to find someone local with a day to spare to be a guinea pig, I think I have someone lined up but I need initiative from both parties lol which is a pain to gather to say the least.


The group pulls together a lot of good ideas, most are a little out there in terms for market feasibility but lots of potential.


Ive always wondered why there are so few parts on the market for these cars and I decided I should change that. This benefits me (even if I can build this stuff on my own) and everyone else with a 5th gen. These cars have a huge amount of potential that is completely untapped.



If there's something anyone is interested in seeing made post it up. Do remember that not everything will be made because there really needs to be like 10-15 people wanting it for it to be valid to build but it is definitely good to get ideas flowing.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Meenya » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:44 pm

We need front Top mounts to adjust for caster. It's very easy to do camber with camber bolts.
For both 4WD and FWD we need at least 3 degree of negative camber for best handling on track. Driving everyday with such camber will kill the tire in no time but with the right amount of caster you can set it less aggressive ~ - 1.5 and it will increase as you turn the wheel so you get the camber you need for great handling and long lasting tires:)
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Cuttyman9 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:17 pm

The top plates will be camber and caster adjustable.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby underscore » Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:34 pm

Meenya wrote:We need front Top mounts to adjust for caster. It's very easy to do camber with camber bolts.
For both 4WD and FWD we need at least 3 degree of negative camber for best handling on track. Driving everyday with such camber will kill the tire in no time but with the right amount of caster you can set it less aggressive ~ - 1.5 and it will increase as you turn the wheel so you get the camber you need for great handling and long lasting tires:)


If you swap the top mounts then you can get caster and use camber bolts to adjust the camber.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Cuttyman9 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:53 pm

The top plates that they are designing soon should have both camber and caster all in one unit.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:12 pm

So are they finally moving on the top plates, or do I need to get back to them with some measurements?

Also you might want to rename the thread to draw more attention. I even was passing it by.

I am not sure which visor your getting made. While I don't want either design, I know there was a big demand for the JDM version, which is very different than the GTO version.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby MWP » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:49 am

I hope they use large spherical bearings in them.
The fronts get quite a hammering with stiff springs/dampers and the front end weight.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby ALLensTRAC » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:16 pm

MWP wrote:I hope they use large spherical bearings in them.
The fronts get quite a hammering with stiff springs/dampers and the front end weight.


I believe this is for a set for the rear. If one was to fabricate lower arms for the front what do you think would be acceptable? Say 3/4 or 1"? I didn't really want to add heims in the front but in the rear of mine I've got 5/8 chromoly heims with 1" swedged aluminum tube. I also boxed the toe arm eccentric area on the frame due to the large slot for adjustment.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby MWP » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:08 pm

Ah, i was talking about strut top mounts.

No idea what would be appropriate for LCAs.
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby ALLensTRAC » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:49 pm

MWP wrote:Ah, i was talking about strut top mounts.

No idea what would be appropriate for LCAs.


Oops sorry about that. Carry on!
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Cuttyman9 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:05 am

Have a suggestion for a new thread name?


They are set on specs for the top mounts, he measured my car in the front and rear.
He mentioned top camber adjustment in the rear through opening up the hole in the top, for those who want quick camber adjustment and toe adjustment through the control links.

No plans for front A arms are in the works but would be an idea for the future.

The visor being acquired is the GTS one, not the Jdm one. I can't even figure out how or who would make a jdm version but isn't that the one that mounts on a painted surface? Vs the glass?
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby Cuttyman9 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:10 am

Today I have some epic news!

Paid a visit to T3 (technotoytuning.com)
They actually are very confident in the Extended ball joint working with only minor mods.
I gave them the green light to mod my spindle and start testing the ball joints they have in stock to match the factory taper.

Additionally they took measurements for front and rear camber plates for those who are stance addicts. The front ones will have the option to have caster adjustment for the grip junkies.

They have the adjustable rear control links for the 184/182 chassis in stock and ready to order.

The 185 rear links are in need of a local guinea pig, they will offer a considerable discount to said guinea pig.

They are still working on visors for the hatch but apparently the company who makes them is miserable at communication and is making things ultra slow. I think we should all thank me when they get them in stock because they have actually been putting in a ton of work to get them.

And lastly there may just be some ITB's in the future. It looks to be a promising project. I will keep everyone informed!
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Re: Building 5th gen parts

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 am

I don't know. T3 custom suspension parts and development

If we do find out my strut is different in size than oem, then I bet they could just use a different bearing. It would be custom, but its an option.

Once I hear they are getting closer I'll start tearing down my suspension so I can get it in straight away.

I am sure there are more pics of it here:
There is one on this page. I could had sworn there was a rectangular section in the middle though.
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