Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby tubasteve » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:17 pm

to bring back the rav 4 idea, just read all 14 pages, damn, sometimes i hate the "good fourm mate" any ways

the bearing on the rav4 and hub sizes are tha exact samewith an id of 1.4961" front and rear and the celica is a 1.4691". i dont know depths or anything but i orderd a new hub for monday and will be here around 8am, ill have be alltrac spindal off and here for test fitting and setting up what brakes i want. ill try to do a side by side.

ill post back my findings monday.
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby DeeCee » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:01 am

as posted in CMS-GT4's project thread:
http://seekpart24.com/toyota/celica-cou ... wd-st185-4

this is an excellent parts website which cover numerous cars and all their parts, a lot of which have dimensions for bearings, hubs, cv joints etc.
defintely a good place to compare dimensions of various parts.
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby lumbercis » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:23 am

tubasteve wrote:the bearing on the rav4 and hub sizes are tha exact samewith an id of 1.4961" front and rear and the celica is a 1.4691".


Is this a typo? In any case, definitely post your results. Very interested to see what you come up with.

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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:30 am

It looks like the rear bearing is different from the front on these cars. I was hoping to use the rav4 hubs on the rear to run staggered. I will likely just run a rear wheel adapter and run the same size all around instead.
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby tubasteve » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:31 am

typo is a NO, im getting my numbers from one of my major parts suppliers, i understand cms you have tried this, but im going to measure every thing and possibly machine what i need, goal is under $200 with brand new hubs around $40-50. ill see what my numbers are on monday. bearings arnt the same how ever the numbers show the id of the hub*bearing* to be darn near real close. ill post findings monday.
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby tubasteve » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:40 am

these are the pics of specs from my parts house.
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yes totally different style bearing but the id is the same as the celica rear hub.
celica front.png
this bearing is the same for:
alltrac front and rear
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby DeeCee » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:09 am

common dimension for shaft diameter is 38mm. Highly uncommon for a run of the mill vehicle to have something as bespoke like a 37.3mm shaft diameter
go here for dimensions of wheel bearings front and rear:

http://seekpart24.com/toyota/rav-4-i-sx ... ing-100579

rav4 front hub: http://seekpart24.com/febi/wheel-hub-28 ... 79&at=3544
rav4 front bearing: http://seekpart24.com/febi/wheel-bearin ... 79&at=3544
rav4 cv joint, 26 spline: http://seekpart24.com/jakoparts/joint-k ... 71&at=3544

gt4 front hub shaft dia = 38mm
gt4 cv joint spline = 26 spline

it will be down to spline dia, but as it is toyota, i'd be confident that there would be no issue retro fitting camry or rav4 hubs to gt4 bearing, cv joint
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby gtfour77 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:55 pm

I still think camry front spindles is the way to go folks, it has a bigger bearing which os a huge plus, especially for a performance oriented car... and it's simple, very simple. It has plenty of meat to re-drill the tie rod end tapered hole for proper geometry, the steering arm is lower for reducing bump steer if your RC is corrtected.... I know it would be really simple to just change the hub though if it was available. :)
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby lumbercis » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:44 pm

^For performance you are right. However, I'd really just like a simple "bolt-on" conversion for better wheel fitment. In any case, it would be great if we could have more than one way to do this so people with different needs can decide what works best for them. You did awesome work pioneering the Camry conversion though, so thanks!!!

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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby tubasteve » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:03 pm

i agree with the camry spindles and all. BUT! im looking at a bolt on for all four. the camry doesnt exactly bolt on the rear :doh: . im making custom spindles this fall if i really feel its needed. bigger is better but bearing failure is not really an issue with these cars or the rav4(from what ive seen at my shop) im currently no longer doing track with this one, but just wanting to have more wheel choices, have the same lug pattern as my hondas casue of spares and less rims needed in my garages.

i have the rough numbers for the rav4 hub(s) looks all good. will get al lthe others as soon as i being my spare front and rear knuckles.

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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby gtfour77 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:00 pm

Agreed and I completely understand. Simple bolt on parts are always better of course. :wink:
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby bccentaur3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Well dont the alltrac use the same wheel bearing all the way around? If thats the case then why not just have the stock 5x100 hubs pressed out and Rav4 5x114 Hubs pressed in? Rav4 uses the same front wheel bearing as the alltracs.
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby gtfour77 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:31 pm

bccentaur3 wrote:Well dont the alltrac use the same wheel bearing all the way around? If thats the case then why not just have the stock 5x100 hubs pressed out and Rav4 5x114 Hubs pressed in? Rav4 uses the same front wheel bearing as the alltracs.


Are the splines inside the same? Iam sure this has been discussed...
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby bozo-merlin » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:28 pm

even if bearing are the same, hub are different (e.g. for the handbrake system)
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Re: Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

Postby lumbercis » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:51 pm

bozo-merlin wrote:even if bearing are the same, hub are different (e.g. for the handbrake system)


I don't get your meaning. We want different hubs!

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