Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:15 pm

We might go down to crossville and drag the Z in the 1/8th for a celica meet. :P

I am having to work for most of the meet anyway.

Anyway. I am doing it for more wheel options that are affordable. For as much as this swap is going to cost me, it will save me $$ in the long run. I only paid 20 bucks for both lexus hubs. So if they are a direct fit, I just got to do custom brakes. I had planned a BBK anyway, so that is not really an added expense. Same with rear spacers. If a person planned rear spacers anyway, then buying an adapter in the same width would not be much of an added expense. I think a reason for keeping the rears the same is to make brakes easier, and so tires can be rotated.

My goal is to be able to fit 17x9 in the front and in the rear. There are plenty of wheels that are close to specs but the bolt pattern is what stands in our way.

If I was to manage to afford the center active diff, I would also do the rear hubs and run some 17x10s in the rear w/ some 275's and 255's on the 17x9 in the front. :evil:
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Postby gtfour77 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:49 pm

Very cool, then we're both in the same boat...
What wheels are you considering? I only need this for autocross...I'll be running 17x9's with 275 hoosiers all the way around..
I test fitted a wheel today....5Ziegen 17x8 with 35 offset and it fit just right with very littleroom to spare in the rear of the rim...(running koni's with 2.5" sleeves and coilovers... I am not sure how it would fit with the stock spring perches...)
Hoping the 17x9 with either 30 or 20 offset will be perfect... I think I am going to go with the 5Ziegen FN01R-C....but the only bolt pattern the have in 17x9 is the 5x114.3.... about $200 a piece...
Do you have any other ideas for a lightweight rim in that width? Everything else I looked at was more money and heavier wheel....
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:03 pm

Awdios has 17x9 30et racing dynamics. They custom made them for our bolt pattern.

I really like the SE37K from volk. I have not decided on a rim yet. I did concider the 5zigen FN01r-c. I also like their pro racer wheel.

I have not decided on a wheel, but I want a set for street, autox, and maybe rally x.

I will most likely get the cheapest lightest wheel I can for autox. It won't end up on the street so I don't have to worry about bending the wheel.
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Postby gtfour77 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:07 pm

I have seen the 5Zigens for as low as $189.99....I think that is so far the best deal...still searching.... :D
Team Dynamics are about $225 or so...hoping they are still on sale....and are heavier from what I understand...
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:10 pm

The 5zigen run on ebay around 650-750 for a set. YOu have to get the EVO setup. 17x9 35 et. Should still work. I would love to run the 17x10 version they have. I prefer the dipped look, but I doubt the offset and width would fit very well.
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Postby Kyoto » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:59 am

I have a set of 16" Buddy Club P1s with an offset of 43. I don't have aproblem with lipping/rolling the guards but can anyone see any forseeable problems with using spacer/hub converters on a daily basis? As long as i make sure to re-torque the adaptors ever 5,000-10,000km i wouldnt see a problem this. I'll obviously need a custom brake setup but i planned this at some stage anyway.

Can anyone shed light on this. Problem is the wheels are getting difficult to source and i picked these up at half price...

Havn't read this thread ofr a while but i'll have a quick browse to see if there is an easier or cheaper way. Perhaps biggest benefit i can see of going to 5x114.3 is the wider choice of brake and wheels combos, ie Skyline, GTR, etc...
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Postby Kyoto » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:44 am

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:28 pm

I plan on pulling the hubs once AI go to the store to resnt some other tools as well. Sorry for the hold up. I would expect it to be closer to the weekend till I hae an idea.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:06 pm

This will all have to wait till after the new year and after the car is running. Depending if this changes offset will deterine the brakes we can use.

Check out the supra conversion brake faq.
http://alltrac.net/tuning/brakefaq.html

The offset may be the only issue. I will know for shore once I pull everything. I bet we could just pick up some supra rotors, a spacer and fab a bracket for a caliper of some sort as an easy solution.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:28 pm

Got the supra brakes today.

Here are some pics. As soon as I have some free time, I will go get a hub puller and compare these hubs.

Supra brakes fit perfect on the camry hub.

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Here is the front of the hub carrier of the camry and alltrac(right).

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And rear.
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I will keep everone posted on my progress.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:22 am

Problem.

The axel is larger for the camry than the alltrac. One solution is having the axels modified but that ruins tis as a budget project.

The hubs may still fit, but there is a whole new issue.

However I am not giving up hope yet. Maybe the hubs can be used on the rear axel?

I am not sure the size of our rear axels but we can look into it.

The mr2 rear hub may be the only solution to using it on our front hub.

Anyone have any halfshafts lying around that they want to toss. Or some way we can determine the size of the rear axel.

I am open to suggestions.
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Postby jprine01 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:32 am

Is the axle spline the same on the alltrac and camry? (Inner part on the hubs)
The axel is larger for the camry than the alltrac.

Maybe thats what you mean by that.
I would think the hard part in putting different hubs on our car would be finding one with the same spline.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:36 am

Yes, the splin is a different size. I am surprised that camry axels are thicker than ours. Its nota huge difference, but its big enough to where the teeth would have a hard time grabbing.
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Postby 3SVERIZON » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:28 am

What about doing a four lug hub conversion 4X114.3, like used on the rally celicas. there are also many wheels made for 4x114.3, do you know of any toyotas 4wd that have 4x114.3 hubs? they might have the proper axel spline too!!! i had four spacer adapters made for my alltrac. so i could run a set of OZ F1 CUP wheels that were 5x114.3 and it looks good.
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Postby RallyX-GT4 » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:25 pm

The four bolt hubs from the rally cars would be great, the only problem is that they were an integral part of the X-Trac tranny/suspension set-up (read big bucks). Not sure if you could source them alone, but if you could, they would incur the expense of further adaptation... but it would be one of the last set of hubs you ever needed...
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