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Hub Project to make us wheel options (5/100 to 114.3)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:53 pm
by CMS-GT4
I need someone to send me an alltrac wheel hub. I just need to barrow it. I am working on an idea for changin out bolt patterns and I need a wheel hub to take measurments from. I think I have a inexpensive simple solution for the brakes too since the bolt pattern will have to be different.

I am going with custom brakes anyway so I will just have to get another rotor hat.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:09 pm
by C-dubb
I actually have one lying around if you want it i can ship it to you.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:10 pm
by RIalltrac
well I might be able to help you out with this. I will be replacing my drivers side front hub tomorrow. The one thats on the car isnt going to be in the best condition, but if you want it you can have it. If you want I'll snap pics of its condition once out of the hub carrier.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:12 pm
by db
Great. I've been looking into wheels lately, and only the 114.3's have the offset's and width's that I'm looking for.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:13 pm
by CMS-GT4
CDub you got pm.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:18 pm
by CMS-GT4
My goal is to make 114.3 hubs work on the celica. At worst, those who want to stay stock brake size can upgrade their front brakes to hat type and just have to change out part of the rotor, or just get them redrilled. The rears will need to be redrilled as well. I am trying to keep the hub distance the same and I don't wanto use spacers anymore. So I am looking at better wheel options. 17x9 30 et in the front and maybe 17x9 5 et in the rear. I could still use a spacer in the rear and keep the front and rear et the same so wheels could be rotated still.

Just trying to give us more options.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:27 pm
by db
With Camry's, Supras, and MR2s running 114.3, I wouldn't be surprised if some brake rotor fit with minor modifications.

And I don't want to use spacers either. I was wondering if any of the previously mentioned cars have hubs that might transfer over?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:24 am
by beej
u hav my attention.....im keen on more braking options

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:33 pm
by CMS-GT4
I am going to be comparing hubs and taking measurements when my es300 hubs get here. I am waiting for them from ebay. So and if they are the same, I will also try and verufy fit.

On the notes of the rear. Since a majority still use a spacer, it may be more cost effective to by a wheel adapter for the rear. I found a company that will make a set of custom wheel adapters from aluminum to H&R specs for around 160.

So a simple solution would be to swap the front hubs and keep the offset the same. Then use ones choice of wide/deep wheels on the front and rear. The front brakes would be the only ones that would need being modified. And less $$ would be spent getting them fitted.

I am going to talk to John from rocketeer about another brake kit option for those who swap front hubs.

I'll keep you all posted.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:47 pm
by CMS-GT4
SO I have been comparing part numbers on the BGB for camry and 185 bearing/ hub parts. I have also been reading on a camry forum about their 3s swaps trying to find axel info.

[rant]
Let me say this first. The bgb sucks. At least at distinuishing models. It tends, or at least I have not found a way, to show the model parts it choses. Such as only showing rc parts or gts parts when your looking for something 185 specific. [/rant]

The front hubs:
So anyway. I think the alltrac axels will fit the hubs. I will verify this once my hubs get here. My only concern is the hub fitting in the carrier. That is the measurments I have to take. If the camry hub is the same size, that should reduce any issues with fitment and back spacing for the brake rotor. If that is the case, I will either get a set of camry rotors, depending on dia., or get some alltrac rotors redrilled. That is unless I can get john from rocketeer to make new hubs for the alltrac brake kits.

The rear hubs:
These are little different. I do not think a rear hub from a fwd car can be used in the back of a rwd/awd car. There is a nub or half shaft type part to the hub that goes into the bearing. These are male parts and should not be able to accept the male axle from the alltrac. So that rules this out. So for the time being, that will hault my rear hub conversion.
I am talking to a company that will make a wheel adapter any width for out rear hubs for around 160usd. This method will keep us from having to find a new rear brake solution, and allow us to keep a same offset on the rear as front so we can rotate the wheels.
For those who want a slightly lower offset on the rear, can get a .75" wheel adapter and still make the rears a little more dipped in.
I will most likely stick with the 1" spacer.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:38 am
by 2of81
Cool I can run a set of Weld Draglites :twisted:

PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:53 am
by CMS-GT4
I should have both sets of hubs by maybe the end of the week. Then I will take some measurments of the male hub dia. depth, and thickness of the stud mount. Should have a pretty good idea by next week.

If I install it, I can still use the wheels I have till I can afford a new set since they are dual drilled, but I will post a pic with some other wheels on the car just to verify it worked once installed. :evil:

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:15 am
by CMS-GT4
I was looking in the BGB, and may have found something. It shows the front hubs for both the celica and the camry to be the same part number.

My question is, is the hub the same and they are just drilled to a different bolt pattern, or is the BGB mixed up.

Well, I expect all the hubs to be here maybe the end up the week. I will keep everyone posted.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:46 pm
by db
The newer Camrys (and Avalons, Solaras, etc) have 114.3. I'm not sure about older ones like around our generation. I was using Tire Rack to find out lug nut spacing.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:07 pm
by CMS-GT4
92-current camry and ES300 has this bolt pattern. The hub is the same from 92-96. May be the same for later models, but have not found reference.