st185 body kit research and concepts (AT club homework)

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st185 body kit research and concepts (AT club homework)

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed May 09, 2007 5:55 pm

So I figured I would start this thread to begin development of a possible st185 body kit. Something that would look good enough to possibly get a group in on to have made. Maybe even just a lip.
I think this should be a group effort and a design critique of toyota's design, aftermarket design and the aftermarket design of cars that share simular lines. This thread may not fruit a new kit, but it may lead us to the conclusioon that a good kit can not be made.

Over the years I have studied the body and design of the alltrac. Vs all the other cars on the road, the st185 most resembles the porsche styling.
The long front over hang, and curves the flares.

I think the st185 looks like what the 944 would have evolved into. Toyota claimed the alltrac was their version of the 928.

My goal is to come up with some parts that blend so well with the car, they almost look stock.

Here is your assignment:
We need photoshopers and 3d modelers in on this.
Here is a link to a model of a st185. You can use this to maybe do some concepts in a 3d program.
http://alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php ... hlight=lip

If any of you have a 1/24 scale 185 model you can try and do some sculpting on it as well.

For those who can't ps or model anything. Here is some other suggestions to help out. Find pics of cars that resemble lines of the 185. One car might have simular fenders, and another might have a simular nose etc..
Then find aftermarket body kits for these cars. Post pics and links. Then we can study them and maybe use these to help develop some ideas.


Let me start first with some of my observations.
The alltrac looks up to date for the most part. The grill and popups are a bit dated, but they hold the charactersitics of the car. I think some other things can be addressed that will keep the essence of the alltrac yet update the look a bit.
One of the aging parts is the lack of sideskirts. While it does not look bad, it could use something there.
I have been looking at the 18x vert skirts. They are small and might go well with the lines of hte 185. They are also not much lower than stock, so they do not make the nose look too high as if you used only skirts from a 18x a/m body kit. I have also concidered something simular to the veilside 350z skirts. They are smaller, and might be made to flow with the body better w/o making the car look too narrow and w/o giving as much risk of screwing them up on speedbumps.
See link for example.
http://www.japanparts.com/images/ImageF ... =1&no=4315

The rear looks great. It might help if there was a skirt that hid the gas tank better. The savage rear skirt does this well. It look pretty good for the most part, except for having to mold it to the body. It might be a little too low as well. Maybe a tighter version of that might look good, with a better designed single exhaust exit.

The nose of the car suffers from the long overhang and upward sloping angle. Even though it looks great from most angles, this feature dates the look of the car since the trend of short front over hangs made popular by BMW. Even pickups and mustnags have a realativly short overhang now.
I think a lip would look good, but it would have to be very small. I think most of the lips are too low, and don't hep the looks very much. The alltrac is wider then it gets credit for and by adding too low of a body kit, it makes the car look too narrow.
I have concidered sculpting something like the supras OEM front lip. Or even trying to get one to fit.

While the alltrac is a great looking car, it might be able to be improved further if we al work together and bang our heads on this idea.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu May 10, 2007 3:35 pm

I like the savage lip less the curve at teh bottom. I think it flares out too much. I think if I was to get one, I would reshape it some and blend it down. I think it might also be a hair too low.

Here is a savage that I thought looked good.

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As you can see here the lip sticks out too far for my taste.

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Here is a quick ps I did of the lip on my car.

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Postby toayoztan » Thu May 10, 2007 11:02 pm

Here's a quick PS job to show one exhaust cut.

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I agree that supra style spoiler isn't a good touch...just not for the car.

I don't like the center exhaust either, i love the angle exhaust look though. I think the Z skirts look nice.

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Postby WarTowels » Fri May 11, 2007 2:38 am

Before (Unmolded):
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After (Molded):

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Before (Unmolded):
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After (Molded):
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^Minor surgery

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Postby theUNYTEDone » Fri May 11, 2007 9:02 am

great work!
i think that with the veilside Z sideskirts, and the PS'd rear bumper on that white car w/ the supra wing would be awesome!

having that rear bumper but does so much for the car...i've been pondering ideas for this.

who was it that had the CF front splitter on their 165? i believe it was for a tC, too...can anyone confirm?

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here's a pic of the style of front splitter i speak of, i know its not off a car that matches our lines, but its the exact same way installed:

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sat May 12, 2007 3:53 pm

I think if a subtle lip can be installed that mades the bottom of the front bumper straight, a splitter like that could be used.

Here are a few quick PS's I did just to get an idea of how things might look.

Black lip (Supra OEM style)

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Vielside style skirts. (This might be able to be done much better.

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skirts from a st18x vert. I think I like this the best. Its the most subtle. Its also not too low, so a less agressive front lip might flow better, such as the supra style)

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A quick PS of the savage rear on my car. I think the exhaust hole might need to be modified to look right with larger tipped exhausts.
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Postby lumbercis » Sun May 13, 2007 1:26 am

Are the vert sideskirts bolt-on for us? I think on my black car, some rear mudguards, vert sides and CF lip like on that STI would look killer.

I also think a modified supra OEM lip might look good on the front.

I'd really like a different rear spoiler as well. Something like the '94 '95 two post spoiler on the 6th gens might work. I just can't get happy with the OEM spoiler.

In general, I'd say there are lots of side and rear options that look good, but the front is alot more difficult to make look good. Our cars actually benefit alot from sideskirts, but the front of the kit usually kills it.

Lastly, I don't know why more people don't use the two versions of the Aero Magic lip more often. It is EXACTLY what most people describe when they talk about wanting a subtle lip. This should really be alot more common on our cars.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 13, 2007 1:31 am

I think that lip is ok, I think it could be improved by raising it some and not being so divided from the regular bumper.

If I can find the garage cruise race celica, there is a decent side skirt and rear bumper on it. It was taken from a st205 kit.
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The CF splitter does give me an idea for a lip though.

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I like the rear of the car too.

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A quick PS of no wing and molded rear bumper and maybe a little better red (less jdm pink)

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Here is a thread in the past where I discuss the alltracs lines.

http://alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php ... age+cruise
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Postby theUNYTEDone » Sun May 13, 2007 4:29 am

those front bumper things on the garage cruise car do a lot, i think...

are those like the ones highway bought?

sideskirts on that car are also awesome! and it also looks very good without a spoiler. muahaha....i guess as far as our car's ass ends go, its all about the right suspension setup, too.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:28 pm

I think this is the kit on the garage cruse car. F/R. The garage cruise 205 wears the same kit in hyper rev.

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Postby Highway » Sun May 13, 2007 4:20 pm

theUNYTEDone wrote:those front bumper things on the garage cruise car do a lot, i think...

are those like the ones highway bought?


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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 13, 2007 5:04 pm

Here is a quick PS I did for the lip idea. It could be touched up, but you get the idea. It would slightly lower the front of the rc bumper, and extend to the wheel arch to either reduce the angle of the front bumper or make it flat. I also places a small cf diffuser under the lip.

You will have to look past the butchering they did to the stock bumper.

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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 13, 2007 5:05 pm

I forgot to mention, cause its hard to tell, there is a front lip already on the garage cruise car. Its a cut up version of the st205 body kit I posted they used. Its easier to notice in the hyper rev.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun May 13, 2007 6:38 pm

Here is an idea of what a ducktail might look like on the rear hatch. Adapted from a 6th gen spoiler.

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Postby b00staholic » Sun May 13, 2007 7:15 pm

The ducktail needs to be bigger to look good IMO:

Like so:

Tom's spoiler on the MR2:

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More ducktail ideas here:

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=2 ... t=ducktail
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