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AllTrac Camry vs AllTrac Celica driveline

Postby not12listen » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 pm

i understand that the rear suspension is nearly identical, i would GUESS the front would also be similar.

my question is:
is the center driveline the same? length, diameter, etc?

thanks! :)
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Postby warmachine » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:34 pm

i would also like to know that and...

would shocks and springs made for a celica fit a camry?
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Postby phattyduck » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:34 am

The drivelines are very similar... the Camry Alltrac has a 2" longer wheelbase. From my understanding, all the Celica parts bolt on though... (rear subframe, stuff in the engine bay, etc). The Camry prop shaft should be compatible to use between Celica front and rear drivetrains.

I will be starting the swap sometime this year... I have a full ST205 drivetrain in my garage, and the motor is already running in my FWD Camry.

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Swaps

Postby GMan » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:51 pm

There have been swaps that have been done.
4wd - 4wd turbo,

Xpander on 6gc.net and on here if you search.

and fwd - 4wd turb.

https://wfs.bc.edu/melket/Public/Car_st ... ry_GT4.jpg

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Postby phattyduck » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:36 pm

I can now verify that a full ST205 rearend fits in a Camry Alltrac. This includes the subframe, lsd diff, axles, lateral links and trailing arms. I reused my stock hubs and struts (for now, at least). The rear track was increased by about 2", and the extra 2*-2.4* of camber was removed with camber bolts and set near stock at .75*.

Even with the stock 14" wheels and at stock height, the wheels fill out the wheel wells much better. The stock track was about 1" narrower in the rear and it is now about 1" wider.

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Postby BlaznToyo » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:46 am

phattyduck wrote:I can now verify that a full ST205 rearend fits in a Camry Alltrac. This includes the subframe, lsd diff, axles, lateral links and trailing arms. I reused my stock hubs and struts (for now, at least). The rear track was increased by about 2", and the extra 2*-2.4* of camber was removed with camber bolts and set near stock at .75*.

Even with the stock 14" wheels and at stock height, the wheels fill out the wheel wells much better. The stock track was about 1" narrower in the rear and it is now about 1" wider.

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Hey Charlie, what caused the rear track to increase? I also have a Camry ALLTRAC.
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Postby phattyduck » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:13 am

BlaznToyo wrote:Hey Charlie, what caused the rear track to increase? I also have a Camry ALLTRAC.
I used the arms from the ST205... it has about a 2" wider rear track, which comes from the longer arms.

I just confirmed today that the rear tires just slightly rub on big bumps, even with the stock wheels and tires... Time for a fender rolling!

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Postby not12listen » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:46 pm

charlie, would you be willing to share some photos? :)

i'd love to see it. :)
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Postby Rpz123isme » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:06 pm

His cal look's awsome with the st205 stuff on it! but putting the camry alltrac stuff on a st185 might make your wheels tuck in about an inch more, If you use the slightly smaller arms!
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Postby phattyduck » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:44 pm

not12listen wrote:charlie, would you be willing to share some photos? :)

i'd love to see it. :)
I don't have any pics of the car since putting on the ST205 rear end, but here are some pics when its all stock:

Stock rear wheel tuck (yeah, yeah, not as bad as an ST185!):
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Clean body:
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Clean interior:
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The stock rear end.
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Postby not12listen » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:49 pm

so, now the big question...

i know that toyota loves to change tiny details every so often, even on the same generation run of the same car (85-89 mr2s is a perfect example)... so, are all sv2X chassis similar enough, that you can swap over alltrac celica parts...?

the basic idea is... if something horrid happens, and some jackass destroys my wife's alltrac camry, could we pickup another camry of the same vintage, swap over everything under the skin and drive away happy?

primarily, i know the gas tank on the camry is SPECIFIC to just the alltrac camry (no other vehicle shares that gas tank - we found out the hard way), but is the center tunnel the same so the prop shaft can still lead to the rear diff in a FWD factory setup camry?
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Postby phattyduck » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:13 pm

not12listen wrote:the basic idea is... if something horrid happens, and some jackass destroys my wife's alltrac camry, could we pickup another camry of the same vintage, swap over everything under the skin and drive away happy?

primarily, i know the gas tank on the camry is SPECIFIC to just the alltrac camry (no other vehicle shares that gas tank - we found out the hard way), but is the center tunnel the same so the prop shaft can still lead to the rear diff in a FWD factory setup camry?
The floorpan and rear of the car is different between the FWD (SV21 / VZV21) chassis and the AWD chassis. You would have to pick up another Alltrac Camry to swap any parts over...

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Postby not12listen » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:17 pm

wow... that really sucks. :(

but, thank you very much for the info. :) i'll pass it along to my wife.
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Postby Mafix » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:50 pm

automatic :shock:
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Postby phattyduck » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:08 am

Mafix wrote:automatic :shock:
It won't be automatic after I do the motor swap. :smokes:

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