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Bolt In roll Cage.

Postby dkpain » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:45 pm

Anyone know about a bolt in roll cage available out there? I found one at autopower.com but it only fits a st165. I need one for a st185. Or is there any cages that are close and need minor modifications? I could build my own but time is limited. I'm sure that someone out there has done this? :shrug:
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Postby WideFNopen » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:38 pm

Bolt in = junk, if you really need a cage then make sure it is for real and has the proper padding, otherwise spend your money in a different area.
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Postby wakkjobb » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:34 am

dang, ouch... jaded much? :wink: What's so bad about bolt-in cages? Are they acceptable for DD cars that see some track (drag or auto-x) time?

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Postby TimmyD » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:03 pm

I've been trying to find a bolt in cage or even roll bar for mine that meets any sort of specs for the local Rally Sprint, Hill Climb, or Solosprint. The cages I've found don't meet their minimum dimensions for tube thickness or have issues with the front bars (although there are some that go through the dash). For slalom... Anything you can do to make the car stiffer is good, but it will cost you weight, and still may not give you a great place to put a harness (Which also will have to meet minimum specs) while preventing you from advancing into faster motorsports due to the cage not being up to spec. Spend the money on tires and suspension, unless you've found something new that I haven't.

So short of a custom bolt in or a full welded roll bar or cage I still haven't found anything.
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Postby rio_cyber » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:05 pm

<-----My avatar represents the state of my ST165 :(
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Postby LegacyofDan » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:27 pm

nothing for the 165 :roll:
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Postby gt4tified » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:15 pm

wakkjobb wrote:dang, ouch... jaded much? :wink: What's so bad about bolt-in cages? Are they acceptable for DD cars that see some track (drag or auto-x) time?

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In response to your post, I guess they would, otherwise no company would be foolish enough to produce them without looking at the dynamics of demand.

However, this is the RALLY ROW forum and as a result, if you do your research, you would see that most rally clubs are very stringent about roll cages. In most instances, they demand seam welded roll cages....while these are terribly expensive, they provide the most impact-resistance while keeping you safe.

Why make bolt-on ones then...well as you said, there are many drag cars and even auto-x cars that believe they are better than nothing and (although I don't believe in them) are a way of barely satisficing non-specific rules.
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Postby RedCelicaTRD » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:37 pm

wakkjobb wrote:dang, ouch... jaded much? :wink: What's so bad about bolt-in cages? Are they acceptable for DD cars that see some track (drag or auto-x) time?

Dan


Unless you drive with a helmet every day, your DD should not have a cage.

As for a bolt-in ST165 cage, Autopower makes one if I remember right.

http://www.autopowerindustries.com/rollbars.asp
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Postby dkpain » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:37 am

Wow. You guys are awesome. Thanks for all the help. I know that a bolt in cage is not as good as a full welded cage. But the time that it'll save me is substantial. I'm building a ice race/rally car out of a JDM GT-4 RC. Here is the link to our local club.

http://www.iceracingthunderbay.com/

I'm looking to compete in the unlimited GTX class. The bolt in cage is just a fast way to get the basic cage in then build off of it. Connect to the front towers and tighten up the body. I was kind of guided toward the bolt in by a very experienced member of our club who races an eagle talon. He figures that its much easier. Then you can always weld it up instead of bolting. The best part is that it'll be tight to the a-pillars, and roof. You guys have so much info on this site its great.
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Postby TimmyD » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:37 pm



Those look like some serious bolt in cages. I obviously can't read everything there but I see a price of over 4000 Euros on one (over $5000 US) and I see FIA in one description and dimensions of 1.5-1.6 inches which would meet some but not all specs for racing. Makes me think a decent bolt in cage is possible but not necessarily as a cost saving measure. A custom welded in cage around here would be between $1K and $2K from my limited searching locally
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Postby wakkjobb » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:19 pm

Well I learned something today... leave the street cars on the street and build a track car for the track. I didn't take into account the rules/regulations for safety regarding cages... :doh:

With the way people drive around here, maybe a helmet isn't a bad idea... got cut off by an Escalade last night around 75mph. Not fun and she was on the phone and eating something.

Could have been eating the steering wheel if I didn't swerve and brake in time.

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Postby Shaggz00 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:08 pm

If anybody is looking for a bolt in harness bar, I got you covered. I just made one for my 165. I could make more if anybody is interested. Any size tubing you want, DOM or Chrome-Moly.

BTW, I saw a comment about the seam welded tubing ( I believe you were referring to ERW tubing, aka Electronic Resistance Welded tubing), meaning it has a seam down the inside of the tube. While some lighter regulations don't rule againt it, ERW tubing is generally not allowed. I think you meant DOM tubing (aka Drawn Over Mandrel) meaning it is seamless.
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Postby Mafix » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:26 pm

i'll need you to get erics cage built so i can have mine! lol.
just so you guys know shaggs builds roll cages.
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Postby gt4tified » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:09 pm

Shaggz00, what you need to start building are some underbody braces, rear strut and front strut braces for the alltracs! Conrad of Ace Eng. does them but in addition to being across the border to the north, he rents out his shop and can't deliver on orders in a timely fashion.
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