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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change - warning lots of pix(no

Postby underscore » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:20 pm

To keep this thread on track, I've made another about find a way to fit this & the Brembos: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=43799
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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change - warning lots of pix(no

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:29 pm

You mean larger bore. Specs posted in the new thread by underscore.
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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change-cleaned up a little

Postby tubasteve » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:54 am

as a promise to the wife im taking the next few days off this project, its our first anniversary this monday.

and the trac doesnt get to tag along:-(
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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change-cleaned up a little

Postby tubasteve » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:21 pm

How do i get this sticky worthy?, big news and all.
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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change-cleaned up a little

Postby abraxxa » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:43 pm

Poor trac! Did it survive the lonely nights? :(
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Re: for 185/205 5x114.3 hub change-cleaned up a little

Postby tubasteve » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:48 pm

Huh?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:32 pm

Did you ever decide on a rotor for the 205 calipers?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby ZeroDrift » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:00 pm

Out of curiosity, why not just use the calipers from the larger vehicles that the hubs are from? They were designed with a heavier vehicle in mind and have more pads/rotor options available than our old cars. Just a thought anyways!
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:35 am

The rav4 brakes are not really an upgrade. They are taller, but much thinner. Also that model rav4 is not heavier than the alltrac. One could run the whole spindle and brakes from a rav4 if they wanted to just change to 5x114, but we are looking for a brake upgrade as well.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:22 am

Working on brembos

The highlander uses smaller pad surfaces as well
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Tue May 15, 2012 12:14 am

Having major issues reposting/fixing my posts...

For now:

These are acura tl wheels 04-06 that i test fitted, just cause i can!<---these did rub the strut in the rear(8mm spacer would help)

[img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_182637.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_182454.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_182454.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_182518.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_182518.jpg[/img][/url]

I have spent a lot of time researching wheel hubs and rotors for the past few....months/years. well im going to tell you what hubs and things youll need, hopefully with pictures:

WARNING:I will not be held accountable if you do something to screw up your car or braking system...this is just info from what i have found and completed pesonally

I'm in no way asking for money or to compare my prices. you can just goto the wrecker and get them.

PARTS AND PRICE ABOUT:

Front hub: 43502-42010 Rav4 96-2000(any trim) My cost: $58 ea Dealer list: $114.71 ea

rear hub: 42301-32060 Highlander (awd only) 2001-2003, Lexus RX300 1999-2003 *new* My cost:$190 ea Dealer list: $246 ea ********used******* I just payed $69.95, and comes with spindle(ill talk more about this) ea.

Front rotors:43512-06040 Camry (2.4/3.0) 2002-2006 im not going to price these out, but if you want me to do the cut, let me know.

Rear rotors:42431-33140 Highlander (awd only) 2001-2003, Lexus RX300 1999-2003 are unmodified at all so have at it(and they do make drilled and slotted in these.)

special tools needed for hub chage: 1)A press to press on and off the hubs :duh: 2) to use stock calipers for the 185, a on or off car brake lathe 3) PB blaster, or something to get your shit free if it is rusted.(i do consider this to be a tool, esp with the amount of rust i see on these cars)

FRONTS:

For the fronts its been talked about before, but i never saw anyone else do this change(chickens) granted ive had my new rav4 hubs for over a YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shoots: but gave up as i was trying to save for other projects.here are a couple shots of the hubs fro the fronts, the one with the race still on the hub is the old one(5x100) [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120303_181016.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120303_181007.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120303_181007.jpg[/img][/url]

for the rotor, it almost fell into place once i got my thinking cap on..."i know i saw these specs somewhere" awh yes the 2004 toyota camry 2.4 front rotors.(ones i looked up)

camry(left) spec vs 185(right):[img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/camf.png[/img] [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/celif.png[/img]

[img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_090247.jpg[/img]

The only issue here is the height and the thickness....well, this is where the "rudimentary lathe" comes in handy.<-------name the movie quote. the difference in height is 49.2mm-46.35mm=2.85 The other issue though is how thick, the stock 185 rotor is 25mm, camry is 28mm. SO 28-2.85=25.15(little over the stock) so i shaved only the bottom side or the part that faces the car?hub where the pad meets the rotor only(NOT THE WHEEL SIDE) we are trying to correct to things with one stone... height and the thickness.

[img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_162235.jpg[/img]

I measured ball joint clearance and the caliper bracket clearance as well, cheap measuring for camera only, i was a one person doing this today(pictures and measuring) [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_163946.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_163904.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_163904.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_164232.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_164232.jpg[/img][/url]

Pad sweep...perfect mounted up. [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_165506.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_165511.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_165511.jpg[/img][/url]

Fronts are done

REARS:

First off, i was supprised i never found this sooner, like how i found the rav4 front hub.....the fronts are easy for the hubs. i cheated, just like toyota they have "what does this cross over to", but i noticed that the car i chose did not show up at all under "same bearing", however they use the exact bearing.

Image if you cant see the above picture, youll not know what year highlander or rx300

the one without studs is the st205 hub I used(the st205 and 185 rear hub sizes around and depth wise are the same. [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120309_103227.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120309_103234.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120309_103234.jpg[/img][/url]

parking brake works as they also use the same shoes and rotor size is near 100% correct. the rotors are for the 185 brakes only!!!!! and only the highlanders brake rotors!!!

my rotors are from a 2002 Rotor specs Celica: Image

Highlander/RX300 Image

[img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120310_190750.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_190742.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_190742.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120310_190735.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120310_190735.jpg[/img][/url]

im going to end it here so i can get questions just in case, but this is for the st185 with brakes, the hubs will work on 185/205, and actually the 165 as well.

only thing i ask, if your going to do it, please remember i spent my time and money researching something i dont even have wheels for or the current need. :P
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby fussellbug » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:34 pm

Is it really a good idea to shave almost 3 mm off one face of the front rotor?

Might be better to take 1.5 mm off each side and use a 1.5mm spacer between the rotor and hub to achieve the same overall placement.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:42 pm

fussellbug wrote:Is it really a good idea to shave almost 3 mm off one face of the front rotor?

Might be better to take 1.5 mm off each side and use a 1.5mm spacer between the rotor and hub to achieve the same overall placement.



Your shaving the 3mm to make the over all height lower of the disc. if you measured most brake discs they aren't even faces any way.the stock Celica disc is also thinner. We aren't using the Camry for its specs.

Update, found a 5x114 rear deal for the $t205 brakes will be mounting up this week i hope.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby camry90 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:25 pm

BUMP revive?
how many of you had success with this?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:29 pm

I just did the conversion myself. I have not driven the car yet, but the installation went smoothly. I spent over a month building my own BBK, but I hope to be moving sometime this week.
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