5x114.3 front and rear.

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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby camry90 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:34 pm

^i only need the front to be done. so all i needis the hub and use ST185 bearings? press it in and that's it?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:31 am

I used rav4 hubs and 185 bears/seal kit. Had a shop press it in, and was done in a few hours.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby Overtriped » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:23 am

Highlander brakes would prob bolt onto your front Camry hubs. Inner spacers for the rotors are most likely needed. may have to get longer studs. I know a guy who's flipping highlander brakes and calling it a performance big brake kit for camry/Avalon/Solara (750$)
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby aus jd 2703 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:45 pm

tubasteve wrote:the one without studs is the st205 hub I used(the st205 and 185 rear hub sizes around and depth wise are the same. [img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%20caliper%%2020choice/th_20120309_103227.jpg[/img][url=http://s1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and% 20caliper%20choice/?action= view&current=20120309_103234.jpg][img]http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/tubasteve13/5x114%20and%%2020caliper%20choice/th_%2020120309_103234.jpg[/img][/url]


im going to end it here so i can get questions just in case, but this is for the st185 with brakes, the hubs will work on 185/205, and actually the 165 as well.

only thing i ask, if your going to do it, please remember i spent my time and money researching something i dont even have wheels for or the current need. :P


just to clarify could i do this to a 205 rear end?
reason i ask is i would like to run a complete 205 rear end to gain the 20mm width so i can run same offset all round?
(i realize 5x100 means i can get low offset rear rims but id like to be able to rotate tyres)
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:40 am

I don't see why it wouldn't. Just to be sure, just see if the rear 205 wheel bearings etc.. are the same as the 185. Since the 205 & 185 brakes fit each other, it should work as long as the bearings and such are the same. Just keep in mind, it looks like the rear track might be a hair wider than the front of the 185.
185 specs:
F: 1475mm = 58.1 in.
R: 1440mm = 56.7 in.

The 205 specs I found.
Front track: 1510mm
Rear track: 1490mm

So the rears might be made flush easier than before. My fronts are fairly flush with the 17x9s. The rears could still go another 10mm to be flush. I might do this myself once I do the rears.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby DeeCee » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:31 pm

anyone tried this with st205 rear brakes and discs? Not sure how much room for re-drilling on the rear disc with the additional holes.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby camry90 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:25 am

after pressing-in the rav4 hubs, is it still the same offset or has it changed?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Everything stayed the same as far as I could tell from offset.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby Cuttyman9 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:52 am

For front wheel drive celica owners, Camry rear hubs and rear brakes are a direct swap for the rear.

Has anyone tried a previa front hub?
Are the e153 axle outers the same as S53/54 axle outers? (Spline count, diameter)
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:00 am

You talking awd previa hubs?
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:06 am

Since the major last time I posted here, I've gotten a second job that lets me put my hands on a ton more parts.

I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE 5x114 plus 205 front and rear brake combo....problem is I sold my setup for the hubs to show the test fit.


Until I recover money I've spent on my rc car racing,I can not post on here my results.

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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby Cuttyman9 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:47 pm

I've been working on the 5x114.3 swap which is on my 92 GT (fwd)

I've learned a few things.
-5th gen Alltrac and fwd Celicas use the same spline axles (albeit the differences in the rest of the axles)

-Rav4 hubs (5x114.3, 60.1 hub) (96-00) have the same spline and diameter as 5th gen Celicas

-Rav4's use smaller diameter lug studs (not super important unless you're using long studs)

-Camry(92-06) rear hubs (5x114.3, 60.1 hub) that unbolt bolt directly to fwd 90-93 (possibly 6th gen cars too) Celica rear spindles.

-all 90-93 Celicas use the same spindle, including alltracs. Each uses some different bits attached to them(4 lug hub on ST's, smaller rotors and caliper brackets on 90-91 non-GTS/alltrac Celicas, etc)

-Camry(92-06) rear discs (5x114.3) fit perfectly in place of stock Celica rear discs and the ebrake is retained.

-Camry (92-06) v6 front discs are very similar to Celica ones using the same hub diameter (I haven't tried this yet, waiting in a drill bit to allow me to press the studs and press the bearings and hubs and bolt it together)


Hopefully this is useful.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby tubasteve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:38 pm

You mean 02-06 Camry right...
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby Cuttyman9 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:35 pm

Nope, 1992 I believe they switched to 5x114.3, I looked up the rotors and they are the same for all that had rear discs as well as v6 fronts are all the same and Inline 4 fronts are all the same.
Crazy how little they changed.

Only major difference between the camry rotor and the Celica rotor is the thickness (rear)
The front is similar on 92-93 Celicas to camry v6's, the thickness is slightly different.

I was in the junkyard playing with parts off a few different cars comparing Camry and Celica stuff.
Oh and the hubs are different appearance wise but the bolt pattern is identical.
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Re: 5x114.3 front and rear.

Postby phattyduck » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:18 pm

Cuttyman9 wrote:Nope, 1992 I believe they switched to 5x114.3
I can confirm that. The Camry was 5x100 through '91 and is 5x114.3 from '92 on. Keep in mind that rear 5x114.3 parts from a Camry will only work on a FWD Celica. Front hubs form the '92+ Camry will be the wrong size (increased axle spline size).

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