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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 pm

Some places rent them. I think tire rack used to. Honestly since you already painted, I would consider paying a pro shop to do it. I would had have mine cut off instead of rolled if I had it to do over again.
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby ALLensTRAC » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:09 pm

toayoztan wrote:Okay, so what's a good fender roller?

I like Eastwood products. However, their fender roller is 250 dollars. Yikes!

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Honestly after doing about five cars in the last couple years I have found that rollers can cause more damage than doing it by hand. My best advice is get it going with a roller just so the lip is slightly bent up. Then take a plastic headed hammer and a body dolly or a heavy beaded bean bag. Slowly go around the edge with the bag on the outside of the fender and start massaging it up until you have the roll you are looking for. The bag I have has a hand strap on the back to hold it against the fender. The hammer I use is a 2 headed deal from harbor freight that has a yellow plastic side and a black plastic side. It is not very heavy as you dont want something that can warp the outer fender. Also make sure to body tape the entire thing and clean all the debris or other crap from above the pinch weld.

The most important thing is to keep the paint warm using a good heat gun (having a friend for this helps) and keeping a laser thermometer to track of the temperature. You don't want it too hot or too cold. I like to keep it around 100 F. Also take your time with it and it will come out perfect. I know the first time I did this it scared the crap out of me but I used the advice I gave you and it came out great.

Oh and stay away from the Eastwood. I find the PoweredbyMAX one works way better. Its a little more money but it seems to work a lot better. Thanks again for the advice regarding the floors.
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby darthripley » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:49 pm

first, off congrats on the new house! :)

could you not get the enkei rims in a more agressive offset to start with? i'm just curious, not meant as an insult as i don't know what they offer "off the shelf" so to speak.

my goal in ordering a new set of rims for vadar is to get a set that requires no spacer for them to be flushed out nicely. i will have to special order & pay a fortune for this to happen but i'm taking my time picking out a set of "forever wheels" for the car lol
i don't really like running spacers, even though i do right now on vadar it isn't getting driven heh.

on rolling the fenders, i've heard of it being done with a baseball bat. prolly not the most efficient or safest way to do it but it can be used as a tool for smoothing the roll if you go slowly with it.
the rear fenders were already rolled on the MR2 chassis when we bought it so when i slap on 7" wide with +25mm offset i won't have to worry about rubbing which is nice.
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby Meenya » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:35 pm

Honestly unless you'll raise it really high the rear will rub even with 2 - 3 negative camber so you must roll them.
I'm using 17x9" 30mm with 245 tires and 15mm spacer so effective offset is 15mm I had rubbing issue. Your effective offset is 10mm so the wheel is 5mm more out than mine and you use 255 tire.
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby toayoztan » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:26 am

Yeah my buddy who painted my car, he actually said he doesn't do rollers either. He uses a rubber mallet with a few layers of duct tape and some heat. He doesn't like using the rollers either. His best advice was, take my time, it'll take 5x longer than I want or expected, but worth it.

I'm pretty sure there is a less aggressive offset so the wheels are flush, but these were local and I got a good deal on them. When the car is starting to be put to use on a road race track, I'll probably ditch the spacers and go with another set of wheels.

I'm going to pick a pretty warm day to get this done and see how it goes!

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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby CSAlltrac » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:12 am

Sure wish I was closer to help ya out Bryan. You know I think the wheels are perfect :wink: The tire might prove to be to wide though. You could possibly get away with them using a thinner spacer in combination with rolled fenders. The hammer method is much more effective and as long as the operator is being careful and taking his time as your buddy said, the results are more than acceptable. Rollers are over rated by far. Gotta get your house dialed in so you can get to wrenching, you cant deprive us like this!
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby underscore » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:50 pm

I'm pretty sure you're going to need thinner spacers unless your suspension is very very stiff, even if you roll the fender lips you still end up with something about 1/2" thick so unless you're planning on rolling the whole fender you'll have some rubbing under compression. The best part about spacers is you can play around with them to get the best fitment (hell you can use pretty much any material for measurement purposes), and then take them off the back when you're racing to get better handling.

I don't like the look of spacers (if anyone ever bothered to look inside my rims) but having the ability to rotate tires without getting them remounted and to be able to shrink the rear track width at will is fantastic.
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby athousandleaves » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:35 pm

7 months without an update?! :shock:
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby toayoztan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:39 pm

Haven't been able to work on it!

I had to move to a different city temporarily for 1 year about 100 miles away for my first residency year. Then in July, I'm going back home to start my Radiology residency, so things will be more kosher then, which means time to work on my alltrac!

On a side note, I bought a 3 car garage house with anticipation to work on my car there. However, my brother just bought a house with half acre lot, and he's building a 1200-1500 sqft shop, insulated, etc. So I'll probably move my project there, which will allow me to buy another car...or two... :D

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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby athousandleaves » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:44 pm

I figured you were just busy with life :wink:

Too bad about buying a house... then having to move away from it for a year!
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby toayoztan » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:31 pm

5 more damn days and i'm back home!

Man, I've been away from this forum for like a year, just been lurking rarely here and there.

Can't wait to be back and see what's been going on, and of course working on my alltrac!

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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby CSAlltrac » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:04 pm

Yay!!! Let the updates begin!
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby Redswan » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:04 am

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:crazy: time for updates old friend!
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby st182er » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:45 pm

need to see the front wheels fitted! ahaha
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Re: OKC Project - 4/12 - Rear wheel mounted...thoughts??

Postby toayoztan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:21 am

Alright. Long time away.

Been in school, now working and getting paid. Project will move forward and hopefully quite nicely.

Here is the main topics for the to do list to complete the project:

-New fuel lines and rebuild fuel tank.
-New brake lines and install rebuilt stock calipers. I would like to upgrade to BBK, but didn't find much. What's out there now?
-Rebuild my RC transmission.
-Fabricate exhaust. My brother just completed mocking up a custom top feed exhaust manifold.
-Install EMS. Originally went with AEM EMS-4. However, thinking of the AEM Infinity. Experience with these?
-Install new wheels. I need to roll my fenders. I'm hoping it'll fit with the 25mm rear spacers. If not, may need to drop to 20mm.

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