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Re: Project CMS

Postby pintoBC_3sgte » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:17 pm

underscore wrote:Derp, my bad, I'm so used to 3S always referring to the GTE that I forget about the GE's. I'm not sure how we ended up with the 5SFE economy motor since it was used in so few cars - surely designing and tooling for a new motor that was worse than the one they already made was a waste of time and money. Back in my younger days a BEAMS swap for my 92 GTS was the dream, an older gent that worked around the corner from me has one in his mint 6g, although I don't know what's happened to him or it as I haven't seen it in a while.


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Re: Project CMS

Postby underscore » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:22 am

That's unfortunate (for me at least) I loved seeing that car go by.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:49 am

GT4times2 wrote:Great ideas altogether. I have been thinking the same things for 2 out of the 3 Alltracs, to keep the mods simple and keep them reliable. Contemplating keeping them at reliable 300whp (very feasible). I'm debating if it's even worth it at those Hp levels. Makes more sense to keep them running than being garage queens that keep breaking. I'm getting too old to be in a garage all day. Either that or sell them all, which I don't want to do now. I may sell the gray ST165 at some point. I have summers off (I'm a teacher- :| ), and this summer I had plans to work on both Celicas, but spent more time traveling and not once touched the cars :( . Sign of things to come, maybe?.. Less time on the cars, more on enjoying this short life. Ironically since work started, I've had a desire to get back into the cars. So these cars need to be reliable and relatively simple to work on. Bolt on mentality kicking in hard for the 4th gen swaps I have. :)


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GT4times2 wrote:What kind of car were you looking at for TN? A nice RWD car would be interesting. Like an old Starlet or Corolla AE86 (if you want to go old school). or A FWD Celica GTS (6th Gens are going for cheap now, and they're pretty interesting cars. They handle well with minor mods ,and 180hp is not bad. Lighter than the older Celicas) would not be bad either. Or a NA MR2. I've been thinking of one as well, and keep it NA via 3SGE (Very cheap, and simple swap). Anyways, just throwing out ideas.


I would love to find a 3rd gen notchback gts celica. I have a feeling it would be hard to source one cheap anymore that wasn't in the worst shape. Whatever it is, it would have to be dirt cheap, and be cheap to build. I blew the last of my budget though on an HKS exhaust, so I can rule out that idea. I was thinking about it today, and I remembered my dad has an old geo metro sitting in the woods where I once stored my alltrac. Its not my ideal, but but it might still make a fun car. Turns out there is a 3cylinder turbo swap for them, or even people swapping in honda motors. 150-200hp would be more than enough in that tiny car. If I had a welder, it would also be a fun car to see if I could shoehorn a mr2 engine in the back of it, but the simpler (cheaper) the better.

GT4times2 wrote:What kinds of power levels are hoping to get out of your set up, with the stock ECU? (You can always look into the AEM FIC as piggy back for additional tuning flexibility and keep the stock ECU. No need to rewire and deal with full management). Have you dyno'ed the car recently? Just to know where you are, and where you want to go HP wise? The CT20 is a nice turbo, and people get good numbers from them.


I have never dyno'd the car. The drag run was the closest thing to testing the power levels I ever did. I would be happy with similar numbers I have seen bpu 205s running. Just shy of 270whp. I have seen some dynos showing Mr2s making over 400 crank hp on ct20s. If I stick with this turbo, I would have it upgraded to inconel for longevity at higher boost. There are are a couple companies offering the upgrade, but I am waiting for more results. I am also watching for the release of the hybrid electric turbos they are using in f1. Production cars will have them coming the next year, and garret is working on one already. This would be the most ideal concept, but its all down to cost. Next in line would be a gt28rs or something similar for the sake of an excellent powerband. I want to keep it all as simple as possible. I have a BEAMS intake manifold I will try and use on the 3rd gen head. Besides that, I would just forge the guts. If I decided to do something bigger, I doubt I would even bother with a 3s. Too many modern improvements with some of these other toyota engines.

GT4times2 wrote:Do tell about the Skyway. (I will Google it in a few) I plan on going to TN in a few months (mid October). Not with the Celicas, just a short vacation (thinking along the lines of cabin rental, relaxation, maybe hunting etc, looking at Pigeon Forge).

HAHAHAHAHA Relaxing and Pigeon Forge should not be in the same sentence. Pigeon Forge is a tourist trap that is stressful as hell.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:59 am

Yeah, 7th gen vs 6th gen, I think the 7th gen is likely the best handling fwd celicas made. I like the look of the 6th gen better, but the price of the two are pretty close these days. At least up here. Hell even plain 5th gens are not much cheaper than either. So the 5-7 gen celicas are pretty close priced.

I think if I had the spare cash laying around I would just get a g35 sedan to use as a car to run down to tn with the family. I can drop them off and then go play on the dragon. I don't think there is any way we will ride down in the alltrac as long as car seats are involved. Maybe I just need to start making bank, then I can buy an ATS-V. That would suit us both.

My next trip down to TN, I am going to go check on this geo metro my dad has laying around. I had already dreamed of making a mid engine sleeper with it, but it might actually be a simple fun fwd car if I can find a decent cheap engine to toss into it. I can either look at the suzuki turbo option, or I can look at a honda swap. Of course a motorcycle engine isn't out of the question. I only want the thing to have a front lsd.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:05 pm

So I finally got the rpf1 mounted and I was going to try it on to see if it went with my silver. Turns out it does not clear my calipers. This is a 17x9 35et. So I guess if I ever need to run it, it will be on the rear, and the rear will have to go on the front. Oh well. Unless I end up with a thinner wilwood caliper in the future, I don't see myself running these.

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Re: Project CMS

Postby underscore » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:34 pm

By how much does it not clear? It might be easier to just keep a cheap slip on spacer in the glovebox than to be rotating tires at the roadside.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:42 pm

Looks like 10-12mm should be safe. I would need an extended set of studs to make use of that though. It would suit getting home safe, but that is about it.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:56 pm

Just picked up a 205 gearbox. Its low miles, but I don't plan on putting it in until the end of 2016. This gives me time to sort out a proper clutch, as well as any LSD solutions.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby msanders2 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:50 am

CMS-GT4 wrote:So I finally got the rpf1 mounted and I was going to try it on to see if it went with my silver. Turns out it does not clear my calipers. This is a 17x9 35et. So I guess if I ever need to run it, it will be on the rear, and the rear will have to go on the front. Oh well. Unless I end up with a thinner wilwood caliper in the future, I don't see myself running these.

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Thank goodness they don't fit! (Just kidding). I have these exact wheels with tires mounted, sitting in my basement for 2 months ready to go on my Alltrac. But I'm not having much luck with finding a good 25mm spacer, or finding the time to roll my fenders. I chose silver also, even though they were more expensive then white/bronze/gunmetal, I like it because it looks more OEM.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:04 am

I only got the silver cause it was on sale. I was going to pant them flat gray if I kept them. I might have my h&r spacers for sale in the near future since I'll be using 5x114 adapters in te rear instead. Need to make sure I sell my 17x7 wheels first.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby msanders2 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:06 am

Interesting. Pm'd
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Re: Project CMS

Postby 88st165 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:28 pm

CMS-GT4 wrote:HAHAHAHAHA Relaxing and Pigeon Forge should not be in the same sentence. Pigeon Forge is a tourist trap that is stressful as hell.
Here is the Skyway. http://www.cherohala.org/
Keep in mind, stay off the double lines. Not just cause it isn't safe to cross lanes, but they are slick as hell. I have an old video running it with another alltrac. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319Pcv9 ... cvD6Ynnk_2


I visited TN 2yrs ago to go hiking in the Smokey Mountains and my gf and I stayed in Pigeon Forge and also visited Gatlinburg. Wow I was not expecting it to be so touristy. Needless to say it wasnt the experience we were expecting but the hiking was amazing. I prob should have sought the advice of someone familiar with the area before hand. When we go back in the next couple years we will prob try and stay somewhere a bit more chill.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:35 pm

We used to host the celica meet in PF, and moved it to being just a dragon meet. Entering the dragon from Knoxville is much easier, and less chaos. Its faster too once you consider traffic jams and the like. The smokies have lots of places to hike and explore, but I think Townsend is a better place to go for that enjoyment. There you can hike, or go tubing and you are dealing with locals rather than mostly tourists. Its part of the smokies, just a hair less touristy. Likely because the only attractions there are nature rather than hotels and rides etc...
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Re: Project CMS

Postby CMS-GT4 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:03 am

Installed some new engine mounts so I can hopefully autox this weekend.
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Re: Project CMS

Postby GT4times2 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:52 am

CMS-GT4 wrote:Yeah, 7th gen vs 6th gen, I think the 7th gen is likely the best handling fwd celicas made. I like the look of the 6th gen better, but the price of the two are pretty close these days. At least up here. Hell even plain 5th gens are not much cheaper than either. So the 5-7 gen celicas are pretty close priced.

I think if I had the spare cash laying around I would just get a g35 sedan to use as a car to run down to tn with the family. I can drop them off and then go play on the dragon. I don't think there is any way we will ride down in the alltrac as long as car seats are involved. Maybe I just need to start making bank, then I can buy an ATS-V. That would suit us both.

My next trip down to TN, I am going to go check on this geo metro my dad has laying around. I had already dreamed of making a mid engine sleeper with it, but it might actually be a simple fun fwd car if I can find a decent cheap engine to toss into it. I can either look at the suzuki turbo option, or I can look at a honda swap. Of course a motorcycle engine isn't out of the question. I only want the thing to have a front lsd.



Either Gens, you can't go wrong. However with the 7th Gen, it has a decent power plant to begin with. Lighter than the other models too. Better power to weight ratio. Better aftermarket too. Food for thought.
I thought you were done with swaps and such. :shrug: Turning the Geo Metro into a Suzuki Cultus is a project in itself. Interesting though.

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Ah, the ATS-V!! Great cars. Putting the Germans in check at the track. Really nice platform. I like the CTS-Vs too. I can see one (or an IS-F) in my future. :)
Don't know when though. Can't beat a 4dr sedan with all that power out the box. Minor bolt-ons, and that's a low 11 sec car. I've seen many at the track in the 10s.

I'm still looking at areas to go other than Pigeon Forge. If not, Pigeon Forge, it will be. Looked at Crossville,TN for boar and wild turkey hunting excursions (2.5 hrs away from North Atlanta). If you know of any, closer to GA, please let me know. PM me if you know of any. Thanks in advance.
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