Comparing them to what? Youre right, 165's/185's don't handle TOO bad, but then again they don't handle that good OUT OF THE BOX in comparison to some of their immediate competition of the same era. TTE really only sorted all the niggling issues out on the 205s. ie aerodynamics, airflow properties, heat dissipation (bigger pre-rads, front grill, water ij., and I/C spray bars), adequate rim/tyre size, and chassis refinement. But thats what makes 165's/185's good project cars - they're inherently underrated and obscure to boot.