Rav4 close ratio gearbox info

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Rav4 close ratio gearbox info

Postby theft and recovery » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:57 am

Just a thought that crossed my mind yesterday, some Rav4's had 3sfe powerplants and some were all wheel drive (96 - 00 i think), what transmissions did they use? i looked for one a a wreckers 2day to see if they were similar 2 an alltrac but i couldn't find any.

i doubt they'd be the same but it would b nice if they were.
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Postby ChrisD » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:10 am

Not the same AFAIK, however, a 3SGTE will bolt up to them. A few Rav 4's out there with little 3sgte's under the hood...
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Postby Fourplay » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:17 am

Ratios are different. RAV4 has much lower final drive too IIRC.
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Postby MrDB » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:51 am

It is a swap for the alltrac but ratios are different, some have swapped all depends on what you want etc....
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Postby theft and recovery » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:06 am

Thanks for the replies

i had a suspicion that they'd be almost the same because i doubted Toyota could be bothered developing a new box for a Rav4.
what are the ratios like compared too all trac transmissions? are the ratios similar to an RC?
Are their ratios better suited for 1/4 mile than my st185 gearbox? or would it only be helpful for autocross and motorkana events?
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Postby BLOWNTACO » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:28 pm

I was thinking the same thing............who is up for the swap?
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Postby MrDB » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:14 pm

ratios are shorter than rc.

i think its 4.85 final drive! tops aout at 120mph!!

link to a gt4oc thread

http://www.gt4oc.net/forums/viewtopic.p ... v4#p743387
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:21 pm

There is also a thread here and gt4dc with ratio details. I am really thinking about using the rav 4 final drive in my RC box. There are 2 rav 4 final drive. I have a taller than stock rolling diameter and I want to get the final drive that will give me a slightly less than stock RD.
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Postby theft and recovery » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:50 am

Ok I’ve done a lot of reading and have compiled this information.
(Silly newbie should have used the search function)

St165 1986~
E50F1
Final Drive: 4.285
1st (3.583); 2nd (2.045); 3rd (1.333); 4th (0.972) 5th (0.731)

St185 1989~
E150F
Final Drive: 4.285
1st (3.384); 2nd (1.913); 3rd (1.333); 4th (0.972) 5th (0.731)

St185RC [RC, Carlos Sainz, Group A] 1991~
E151F
Final Drive: 3.933
1st (3.583); 2nd (2.045); 3rd (1.333); 4th (0.972) 5th (0.731)

St185 Rally 1989~
E152F
Final Drive: 4.285
1st (3.230); 2nd (2.142); 3rd (1.518); 4th (1.258) 5th (0.731)

St205 1994~
E154F
Final Drive: 4.285
1st (3.384); 2nd (1.913); 3rd (1.258); 4th (0.918) 5th (0.731)

MR2 Turbo
E????
Final Drive: 4.285
1st (3.230); 2nd (1.913); 3rd (1.258); 4th (0.918) 5th (0.731)

Rav4 2001~
E250F
Final Drive: 4.933
1st (3.833); 2nd (1.913); 3rd (1.258); 4th (0.918) 5th (0.775)

The 94-00 Rav4 boxes are also useable if not the same an 2001~
94-00 Rav4s came with 3sfe not 3sge engines but the gearbox will bolt on to any 3 series engines

These may not be 100% correct let me know what needs fixing.

The Rav4 gearbox is a popular close ratio mod and are great improvements for rally, autocross, motorkhana etc… events

The rav4 box is no weaker than a st185 box and being a Toyota geaebox is strong compared to other manufactures.

Top speed with a Rav box is reduced to 120mph/200kph which is still higher than any speed limit iv heard of. the improved acceleration translates to higher torque figures on dino sheets which may make ur awhp figure smaller.

The link below shows what modifications are required to use a rav4 gearbox its mainly swapping some parts off a gt4 box. The right hand driveshaft requires a little work but the left hand one slides right in and works fine. The photo’s on the link are from the v6 alltrac conversion. http://www.alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 4&start=15
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Postby CodingParadox » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:51 am

I have a rav4 box in my garage... Someday I'll finish this V6 swap... Cat won't be usable on the track anymore though, unfortunately. 120mph is nowhere near what speeds I hit on any tracks around here. Oh well, that's what the miata is for anyway. :)
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:04 pm

Maybe you can swap the RC or altrac final drive into your rav 4 box. If and when the time comes, I would be up for trading you an alltrac final drive for a rav 4 final drive.

Besides. That is a 120mph with stock power. You would have had to gain some top end with the power you are producing. Combine that with a stock alltrac final drive plus a taller tire and I bet you would be closer to 140+ mph.
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Postby CodingParadox » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:24 pm

The 120mph is just what redline in 5th gear is on the stock rav4 final drive, not a power limit. You'd need a taller final drive to get more speed. =)

I have planty of dead alltrac boxes around to swap final drives on, but I'm not sure if the gears will just swap over. We'll see. The plan is for the car to be an autox car, so I'd be pretty okay with shorter gearing. One gear that goes to 45 (2) and one that goes to 65/70 (3) would be real nice for serious street mod action. We'll see how it turns out.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:33 pm

Yeah, I am looking into doing the rav 4 final drive. With my rolling diameter, it should put me just under the stock gearing with oem final drive and stock tire diameter. I think this will give me the acceleration I like with the 205 swap and leave enough room if I decide for more power in the future.
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Postby CodingParadox » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:35 pm

Yeah, I'm figuring that, given the lower powerband of the V6 I'm putting in, combined with the much torquier response, with the bigger tires I'll be running (315 V710s), it's going to be about right for autox with the shorter FD.
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Postby CMS-GT4 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:46 pm

Here is a copy of a post I put in my project threa so you can determine ratios etc...

CMS-GT4 wrote:So I wanted to go for a test drive but ran the car out of gas. So it sits in the driveway for another day or two. Its friggin cold and might snow so I doubt I will run the car out. Wide summer tires + snow = no go, even w/ AWD.

I have been wonding about my total final drive since I have the RC final drive and I have the taller than stock tires. It makes 5th gear kind of high even for the extra power of a stock 205.

I do not plan on getting a smaller tire so I think when I do the clutch I will either do a new gearbox or lower final drive.

Someone on celicatech made this great excel form for figuring out celica ratios.

http://celicatech.com/forums/showthread ... st29884802

Here is some info on my car as is.

Stock ratio, or my previous size.
RIM SIZE WIDTH SIDE WALL
17 215 40

TOTAL DIAMETER
23.77



RPM on stock dia. w/ RC FD
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 4.7 8.8 13.5 18.5 24.6
2000 9.3 17.6 27.0 37.0 49.2
3000 14.0 26.4 40.4 55.5 73.8
4000 18.7 35.2 53.9 74.0 98.3
5000 23.3 43.9 67.4 92.4 122.9
6000 28.0 52.7 80.9 110.9 147.5
6250 29.2 54.9 84.3 115.6 153.7
7000 32.7 61.5 94.4 129.4 172.1
7200 33.6 63.3 97.1 133.1 177.0


Current setup. w/ RC FD
RIM SIZE WIDTH SIDE WALL
17 255 40

TOTAL DIAMETER
25.03

RPM w/ currenty setup.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 4.9 9.3 14.2 19.5 25.9
2000 9.8 18.5 28.4 38.9 51.8
3000 14.7 27.8 42.6 58.4 77.7
4000 19.6 37.0 56.8 77.9 103.6
5000 24.6 46.3 71.0 97.3 129.4
6000 29.5 55.5 85.2 116.8 155.3
6250 30.7 57.8 88.7 121.7 161.8
7000 34.4 64.8 99.4 136.3 181.2
7200 35.4 66.6 102.2 140.2 186.4


My current setup if I changed to the alltrac final drive.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 4.5 8.5 13.0 17.9 23.8
2000 9.0 17.0 26.1 35.7 47.5
3000 13.5 25.5 39.1 53.6 71.3
4000 18.0 34.0 52.1 71.5 95.0
5000 22.5 42.5 65.2 89.4 118.8
6000 27.0 51.0 78.2 107.2 142.6
6250 28.2 53.1 81.4 111.7 148.5
7000 31.6 59.5 91.2 125.1 166.3
7200 32.5 61.2 93.8 128.7 171.1

RPM if I had the alltrac box/FD and oem tire dia.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 4.9 8.6 12.4 17.0 22.6
2000 9.7 17.2 24.7 33.9 45.1
3000 14.6 25.9 37.1 50.9 67.7
4000 19.5 34.5 49.5 67.9 90.3
5000 24.4 43.1 61.9 84.9 112.8
6000 29.2 51.7 74.2 101.8 135.4
6250 30.5 53.9 77.3 106.1 141.0
7000 34.1 60.4 86.6 118.8 158.0
7200 35.1 62.1 89.1 122.2 162.5

My current setup if I changed to the RAV4 4.933 final drive.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 3.9 7.4 11.3 15.5 20.6
2000 7.8 14.8 22.6 31.0 41.3
3000 11.7 22.1 34.0 46.6 61.9
4000 15.7 29.5 45.3 62.1 82.6
5000 19.6 36.9 56.6 77.6 103.2
6000 23.5 44.3 67.9 93.1 123.8
6250 24.5 46.1 70.7 97.0 129.0
7000 27.4 51.6 79.2 108.7 144.5
7200 28.2 53.1 81.5 111.8 148.6


My current setup with 2003 Rav 4 gearbox.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 3.9 7.9 12.0 16.4 19.5
2000 7.9 15.8 24.0 32.9 38.9
3000 11.8 23.7 36.0 49.3 58.4
4000 15.7 31.5 48.0 65.7 77.9
5000 19.7 39.4 60.0 82.2 97.3
6000 23.6 47.3 72.0 98.6 116.8
6250 24.6 49.3 75.0 102.7 121.7
7000 27.6 55.2 84.0 115.1 136.3
7200 28.3 56.8 86.4 118.3 140.2

My current setup if I changed to the RAV4 4.562 final drive.
SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED
RPM 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH
1000 4.2 8.0 12.2 16.8 22.3
2000 8.5 16.0 24.5 33.6 44.6
3000 12.7 23.9 36.7 50.4 67.0
4000 16.9 31.9 49.0 67.1 89.3
5000 21.2 39.9 61.2 83.9 111.6
6000 25.4 47.9 73.4 100.7 133.9
6250 26.5 49.9 76.5 104.9 139.5
7000 29.6 55.8 85.7 117.5 156.2
7200 30.5 57.4 88.1 120.9 160.7


It seems that the RAV4 4.562 final drive would get my ratios closest to having a stock tire size/FD.

I will really concider this project once I decide to dive into the clutch project.
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