ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby zaluss » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:42 pm

You can count me in though from a hood scoop design perspective I'm not 100% sold on using the ST185/ST205 hood scoop design because I don't know it really works well with the boxy 80's bodystyle.

Beggers can't be choosers though.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby simple » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:48 pm

Did someone say boxy?Image
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby zaluss » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:04 pm

simple wrote:Did someone say boxy?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210107/5cada53290a1fa40e6adaf0c2c10a447.jpg


Now that's more like it!

We should probably share this to the Alltrac.net and ST165 Owners FB group for more interest.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:33 pm

Since we won't be modifying our current hoods, and instead getting new additional ones, we can change back and forth... maybe?
Run your Sainz in the summer.... and factory in the other seasons...

ST165 engine bays are notorious for poor flow, and keeping a lot heat in the bay.

I like the idea of lighter weight hood, and a vent to get that heat out.

My understanding is they added the vent right over top of the turbo so the car wouldn't heat soak so much while standing.

Last summer. my IAT's were around 165F all day long. No matter what driving conditions.

I don't think it will look too bad, in fact kind of nice...
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby simple » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:56 pm

It looks amazingImage
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:05 pm

Nice find!!
definately some roundness there :D
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:11 pm

That looks pretty dang good...
whattaya think Mike?
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby zaluss » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:59 pm

mickeyfinn wrote:That looks pretty dang good...
whattaya think Mike?


Like I said I'm onboard either way :D

If we can convince Eric to send his hood for replication then I'm ok with that lol. I think he literally had the ST205 hood cut and grafted onto the ST165 hood and it wasn't cheap.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:27 pm

I sent the picture of that white ST165 to carbon-microsystems. They said that is pretty much exactly how they will try to make it.
The Company "VIS" got back with me and said they will not consider making an ST165 hood. Unless we could find at least 30 buyers, which is unlikely.
I know people that have purchased from both companies. They say carbon-microsystems is very fine quality compared to VIS. So probably not a terrible loss.
It's good that Carbon-Microsystems only needs minimum of 3 to get started...
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:36 pm

I have Spare ST165 hood, and a Sainz ST185 Vent. Together cost me about $800.
I showed them to a local body shop and asked round about what it would cost to have them cut and graph the vent in so it looked factory. They said about $2,500 (just the labor). Assuming it would cost that much, it would be a $3,300 ordeal.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby zaluss » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:17 pm

mickeyfinn wrote:I sent the picture of that white ST165 to carbon-microsystems. They said that is pretty much exactly how they will try to make it.
The Company "VIS" got back with me and said they will not consider making an ST165 hood. Unless we could find at least 30 buyers, which is unlikely.
I know people that have purchased from both companies. They say carbon-microsystems is very fine quality compared to VIS. So probably not a terrible loss.
It's good that Carbon-Microsystems only needs minimum of 3 to get started...


I've bought from Carbon Microsystems before as I got into the original group buy of the radiator panel. It fits mostly well and I'm pretty satisfied given it was a custom piece.

Since we have a mold to work with on the hood from a fitment perspective I think it will be fine. The only issue is he doesn't have access to an actual 4th gen locally. At least last I checked.

Speaking of, we should consider extending this to the ST162 crowd as I'm sure there would be interest.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:05 pm

Carbon-Microsystems says they have found another person that wants this hood. So we now have the required 3 people and are good to go if we want to continue ahead with this.
They also have access to an ST165 Hood that they can use to model this new product up with.
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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:07 pm

I set my Sainz Vent on my hood last night to see how it might look:

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Re: ST165 Carbon Fiber Hood ...no love for 4th gen's?

Postby mickeyfinn » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:14 pm

While the other 2 vents up by the windshield are functional, and probably needed, I'm wondering if not having them would look better, and maybe match the looks of the ST165 body style a little better?
What do you guys think?

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