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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:36 am

OK so it sounds like its getting better than before which is good. I think maybe a little air is possible but maybe look at the fans a little closer too. They are both set to pull air inward right ?
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:51 pm

Yea im thinking air also.

Yes I tested both fans to make sure they are moving air correctly. Both pulling air from OUTSIDE.

To help get some heat out of the engine bay i removed the rubber strip from the rear and front of the hood and raised each side of the hood by sticking some washers between the hood and hinge.
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:54 pm

More details.

Drove to work today. Usually a 10-15 minute drive. Outside temp was around 87* and sunny

I hit about 3 lights and then got on the highway for about 8-10 minutes exited off and hit 3 more traffic lights. Pulled in the lot and idled for 2-3 minutes and no overheating. No AC for the entire ride.

Tomorrow morning ill get up early and see if I can get more air out of the system before I drive it.
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:18 pm

Def invest in one of those fillers , not only does it keep from making a mess everywhere. You will know for sure all the air is out , and the coolant in the filler can be plugged off and put back in the bottle. Its really an awesome tool. I wasnt convinced till I used it for the first time. Dont forget about that thermostat .... if you didnt put it in there then god knows whats in there ... I've heard alot of storys on aftermarket ones here and recently had a bad aftermarket one right out of the box that went in my Dads Tahoe ...
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby phattyduck » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:06 pm

Curry wrote:Yea im thinking air also.

Yes I tested both fans to make sure they are moving air correctly. Both pulling air from OUTSIDE.

To help get some heat out of the engine bay i removed the rubber strip from the rear and front of the hood and raised each side of the hood by sticking some washers between the hood and hinge.
Check the water/coolant level in the radiator and the tank (though you probably have already done this).

As for the hood... get those seals back on there. With the front one, you want as much air going through the radiator as possible (and not sneaking around it into the engine bay). For the rear seal/propping, that area is high pressure and will be forcing air into the engine bay. Both of those things together reduces the effectiveness of your radiator (higher pressure in engine bay = less air through radiator). Cool your engine bay by allowing air out, not by putting extra air in.

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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:14 am

88gt4DE wrote:Def invest in one of those fillers , not only does it keep from making a mess everywhere. You will know for sure all the air is out , and the coolant in the filler can be plugged off and put back in the bottle. Its really an awesome tool. I wasnt convinced till I used it for the first time. Dont forget about that thermostat .... if you didnt put it in there then god knows whats in there ... I've heard alot of storys on aftermarket ones here and recently had a bad aftermarket one right out of the box that went in my Dads Tahoe ...


Got a link to a filler? Yea im gonna order the thermostat tonight. Just need to get the right part number.

I drove home and put the heat on full blast figured it might help move any air pockets while i drove. The air was hot but at times it would go warm for a little then back to hot. Also this morning while i warmed the car up i noticed the temp needle did a bit of a dance when i gave the car some gas. Twice it just moved erratically and went back to normal. Has not happened since then. To me these symptoms sound like air also... :shrug:
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:16 am

phattyduck wrote:
Curry wrote:Yea im thinking air also.

Yes I tested both fans to make sure they are moving air correctly. Both pulling air from OUTSIDE.

To help get some heat out of the engine bay i removed the rubber strip from the rear and front of the hood and raised each side of the hood by sticking some washers between the hood and hinge.
Check the water/coolant level in the radiator and the tank (though you probably have already done this).

As for the hood... get those seals back on there. With the front one, you want as much air going through the radiator as possible (and not sneaking around it into the engine bay). For the rear seal/propping, that area is high pressure and will be forcing air into the engine bay. Both of those things together reduces the effectiveness of your radiator (higher pressure in engine bay = less air through radiator). Cool your engine bay by allowing air out, not by putting extra air in.

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Thanks for the info . Did not realize those two pieces were important. I also checked the levels and everything checks out.
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:52 am

Link to the filler I bought ( there are other models than Matco ) http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/produ ... M-ADAPTER/


Thermostat part # 90916-03090 ( OEM )
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:56 pm

88gt4DE wrote:Link to the filler I bought ( there are other models than Matco ) http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/produ ... M-ADAPTER/


Thermostat part # 90916-03090 ( OEM )


Awesome thanks. I hope they send me the right part everyone i order they send the wrong parts. Toyodiy sucks sometimes....

Any reason why when my ac runs i get warm air from two vents and semi-cool air from one? Compressor kicks in fine. Wonder if something might be leaking.... I feel like the car is constantly hot inside like heat is always on....
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:51 pm

Curry wrote:
88gt4DE wrote:Link to the filler I bought ( there are other models than Matco ) http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/produ ... M-ADAPTER/


Thermostat part # 90916-03090 ( OEM )


Awesome thanks. I hope they send me the right part everyone i order they send the wrong parts. Toyodiy sucks sometimes....

Any reason why when my ac runs i get warm air from two vents and semi-cool air from one? Compressor kicks in fine. Wonder if something might be leaking.... I feel like the car is constantly hot inside like heat is always on....


Freon charge is prol a little low. They are hotter inside ... Imagine if yers was black like mine. lol After you get yer air bled out you can turn the heater control valve off to keep the hot water out is the temp control isnt working. Sometimes they foul up since they are electronic ...
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:29 pm

Yea tomorrow im gonna have time to bleed more air. The valve u speak of... Is that the little control arm with the piano wite attached? I believe my control unit work i know at night i felt heat and switched to cool and it worked.

Today i had a chance to drive the car locally. First i warmed it up then drove. Lots of stop lights and stop signs. Got stuck in the wendys drive thru lol. Temp stayed nice and cool. Drove back and right before i got in the temp slowly started to creep up. So figure i drove for 30 minutes before temps started to creep up. Outside weather temp was 87*

Oh and my interior is black and my windows arent tinted so it gets VERY hot in there... :shoots:
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:03 pm

Yeah control valve is right next to master cylinder and yeah they got hot ... tint will help a little ... I'm still questioning that overflow setup ... had to be a reason it got changed ... let me read up on that recall. Mine had that done way back in the day ....
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:15 pm

Ok I cant get the pictures to post but heres the text from the recall ....

CONDITION
Engine overheating can occur due to low coolant level.
CAUSE
When a turbo charged engine has been operated at high speed or heavy load, it should always be
allowed to idle for several minutes before turning off the ignition. (The owner’s manual for turbo charged
vehicles gives specific instructions as to the required idling time).
Failure to observe these precautions can result in high temperature expansion of the engine coolant to
the extent that it may overflow the expansion reservoir. Repeated loss of coolant in this manner can lead
to a coolant level that is low enough to cause engine overheating.
CORRECTION
To prevent this coolant loss a new radiator and Coolant Reservoir Tank has been designed. The following
schematic depicts the change in the cooling system function that is effected by these improved parts.


So basically they say it can lose coolant with the old setup and then you would have air in system. Try to find the brass bottle. I know the little plastic one is dincontinued cause I have a hole in mine and cant get it. However once the metal bottle is on it , there wont be coolant in the litttle plastic anyway unless its boiling over ... I can fax ya the write up if ya want just let me know ... :)
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby Curry » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:50 pm

I'm confused about that though...

So lets say with the new radiator. Fill it and bleed it. No air. Coolant tank is filled correctly. At this point the car should run without overheating. Since there is no air and everything is fine right?

So the car is hot, coolant has expanded the coolant tank is filled to the correct levels. Needle on the temp gauge is normal.

Turn the car off everything cools down. Coolant contracts creating a vacuum. Coolant gets drawn into the radiator from the coolant tank. Cycle continues.

So even without the metal coolant tank why would there be a problem unless the plastic one is leaking (mine isn't)
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Re: 88' Celica Alltrac refresh

Postby 88gt4DE » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:57 pm

Not sure man ... I have never seen this happen and all makes perfect sense on how the normal cooling system should work. Just pointing this out for ya to keep in mind ...
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