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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby alltracman78 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:49 pm

abeans wrote:Here is a photo to keep someone happy, that might be reading (Assuming im not talking to myself here)

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We're looking, just don't always have something to say. :)
It's looking good. Your wheels go good with that color.

I've learned the hard way the 5SFE water pumps are the same physical dimensions as the 3SGTE pumps, so they physically bolt in.
However, the impeller (at least on some aftermarket pumps) isn't large enough to move as much water as the OE 3SGTE pump.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:16 pm

alltracman78 wrote:
abeans wrote:Here is a photo to keep someone happy, that might be reading (Assuming im not talking to myself here)

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We're looking, just don't always have something to say. :)
It's looking good. Your wheels go good with that color.

I've learned the hard way the 5SFE water pumps are the same physical dimensions as the 3SGTE pumps, so they physically bolt in.
However, the impeller (at least on some aftermarket pumps) isn't large enough to move as much water as the OE 3SGTE pump.

Oh boy I hope that's not it. I do remember the impeller did have a different design. I bought a Gates unit from Rockauto...
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby alltracman78 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:38 pm

Was it a low hump with small fins sticking out?

*I don't have any pictures, this is from one of my previous Alltracs years and years ago. I tried looking online but a quick search couldn't find anything.
But looking online it looks like OE 5FSE pumps and some aftermarket pumps all have the larger fins. Gates is generally a pretty good parts source, so it may not be the pump. Just something to keep in mind.*
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:03 pm

alltracman78 wrote:Was it a low hump with small fins sticking out?

*I don't have any pictures, this is from one of my previous Alltracs years and years ago. I tried looking online but a quick search couldn't find anything.
But looking online it looks like OE 5FSE pumps and some aftermarket pumps all have the larger fins. Gates is generally a pretty good parts source, so it may not be the pump. Just something to keep in mind.*

Well it was a GMB brand I pulled out. It had flap style blade

The gates had more of turbine blade style
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby alltracman78 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:15 pm

As long as it has decent fins I wouldn't worry about it.
The problem is when the fins are really low and don't move enough coolant.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:44 am

alltracman78 wrote:As long as it has decent fins I wouldn't worry about it.
The problem is when the fins are really low and don't move enough coolant.


Did your pump look like this?

For reference. Gates i installed.

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GMB brand that was in the car.

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Good news/ bad news. They both open.

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SO..... Before i go tearing the timing all apart again i either need to know for sure this pump is garbage design. Or im going to install my aftermarket gauge to make sure its actually overheating (pretty sure it is)
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby alltracman78 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:06 pm

It looked something like that. The impeller is cast iron just like mine was. The fins don't have a lot of area to push coolant with.
Compare that to the AISIN pump impeller (I would prefer parts from them over Gates).
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Thanks for confirming That's very unfortunate. :(

I got a AISIN on the way.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby alltracman78 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:55 pm

YW

Hope that fixes it. :)
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:42 pm

alltracman78 wrote:YW

Hope that fixes it. :)


Me too. What a bummer to take it all apart again.

Instead last weekend i worked on this:

Carbon microsystems plug... (way to nice for this car)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0CUEFt7Ao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UipQJeU0GxU

Pros: No more leaky heavy sunroof. About 4" more headroom (I need, im tall) and Maybe 50lbs lost.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:43 am

alltracman78 wrote:YW

Hope that fixes it. :)


Back to waterpump this weekend. Got it swapped over. My poor hands...what a literal pain.

It was pretty late when I finished, so I didn't get a chance to get the car up to temp.

Bad pump vs good (don't make this mistake)
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:39 pm

Car seems better today. Hard to tell if its "fixed", the rad fan never turns off, but i do have a lower thermostat switch 185F~

I picked up aftermarket temp gauge, only sure way to tell. (Since the oem cluster a'int saying shit for whatever reason) Lower radiator hose 100% has more pressure, but oddly its still not hot as i would expect.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:50 pm

Haven't updated in a minute.

Good news, water pump fixed cooling issues, holds a good temp now. - Im not loving the fan thermostat kicks on, seems to be way too early. 190F~ ON 175~ off. So basically it never turns off once its running, but thats de-prioritized at the moment



I evicted the cold start injector sensor used this adapter from autometer to install my coolant 1/8 sensor
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Put the headliner in and some other interior bits (Flocked dash looks pretty good). - The non sunroof headliner poses some challenges with the dome light as it is in a different spot, going to make a bracket to have to mount it.
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Have i mentioned whoever worked on this car before me was some kind of animal?

Fixed the VSS (chopped the wires clean off.)
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Mirror harness (chopped wires clean off.)
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Mirrors are SO red compared to the burgundy looks worse than the old ones, but they are in much better shape. Gotta hold for future paint


So with being confident the car is not overheating i drove it around the block, some notes:

- Car is very unhappy when i get into boost, stumbles and falls on its face... I haven't set the distributor spark timing yet, so i need to do that soon... It could also be that my fuel pump is relayed and not using the stock wiring? Uses resistance pack? It goes full peg rich with load (boost)

- Polyurethane engine and trans mounts (specifically the sides) from BRD and i regret it. Waytoo much NVH, going to have to swap those out for stock.

- Power steering pump still not hooked up (Avoiding because its a nightmare)

- Some horrendous clunk in the drivers side under steering with load. Something suspension, gotta be axle ,control arm balljoint tie rod end...
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Clunk should be fixed, loose balljoint. That one is on me... :owned:

Power steering pump is off.

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This thread was some help: viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28221

I used the old engine as a reference as well. (This is SO easy to change off the car, do yourself a favor and change the pump if you ever pull the engine)

https://i.imgur.com/2ZlNNZZl.mp4 URL
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Ultimately, i was just going to get the belt on, but i have a feeling this thing is/was leaking. No way i'm going back in there again, so i got a new non-reman pump on the way.

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So, it's probably not the by the books way, but my technique: (probably pull that vacuum pressure sensor off before hand as well its like $100 bucks new)
Get the pump off the bracket so it's loose.
Pull tie rod end
Undo the high pressure banjo bolt on top of the pump 7/8 IIRC
Undo the low pressure from the reservoir side.
Get the pump peaking from the tie rod end hole, undo the pully 17mm
Pull that thing and spin it till it comes out of that tie rod end hole.


If someone has better tips for when the new pump goes back in I'm all ears.
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Re: abeans st185 - Kill 1 Save Another

Postby abeans » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:58 pm

Pumpy boi is back in. Learned a lot, could probably do it much faster, but i would have cried if i was a Toyota tech and this car came in for warranty work. - 'S' 14mm and wobbel head 14mm racheting wrench are must haves.


-Put pump in loose through tie rod hole, nothing bolted to it (except maybe that vacuum pressure sensor, i plugged mine because it's dumb.)

-Once in the back of the car, get the pully on there. Impact it on 17mm (aim through the bottom)

-I would then get the high pressure line + banjo started by hand tight. Use the Toyota oem 1 piece crush washer if you don't want to hate life.

- Get the pump oriented into the top bracket, make sure the though bolt actually goes through the hole... Get it hand tight so the pump can still rock

- At this point get the front 'L' bracket on, and the lower tensioner through bolt in (hand loose)

- Tq banjo down, get low pressure line on there, tighten clamp. Throw away crimp clamps and use a worm gear, because they are garbage.

- Tighten everything else on there except the lower pump tensioner through bolt.

- Throw on belty boi, and tighten the last through bolt on.

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Welded this leaky turd shut.

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