Coilover Options for Gen5 AllTrac/GT-Four

Roreri

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EDIT: I started out asking about Yellow Speed coilovers for the ST185--which I didn't end up going for, because of uncertain/apocryphal reviews and a negative review I found. But this ended up being useful as a coilover resource as of early 2022, so I retitled it.

Earlier on, I was looking at coilovers, and was looking at the Yellow Speed products available for the AllTrac: https://yellowspeedracingusa.com/collec ... -Trac-1992

In short, there are three possible outcomes: Street, Rally, or Track.

For street application, Yellow Speed has three different products:
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The Dynamic Pro Sport Coilovers can achieve 50-100mm (2-4") drop in ride height, and reasonably stiff springs (7k front, 4k rear), which is about equal to stock springs. They state "This suspension system is ideal for daily driving and occasional track use."

The Inverted Pro Street Coilovers are similar to the Dynamic Pro Sport Coilover, with 7k front and 4k rear springs, but with inverted monotube design said to prevent premature failure of the seals.

The Super Low Coilovers can achieve 80mm to 130mm (3-5") drop in ride height, and feature stiffer springs (8k front, 6k rear), with camber plates for the front springs. They note that "the SUPER LOW kit will increase ride handling but may also have a negative effect on comfort." Slamming your ride can have that effect, yes.

For track application, Yellow Speed has this:
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The Premium Competition Coilovers feature very stiff springs (14k front, 12k rear) and I am guessing these would be distinctly unpleasant on the street. But for a track car, these would be the weapon.

For hauling ass on gravel, Yellow Speed has this:
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The Dynamic Pro Gravel Rally Coilovers feature softer springs (5k front, 4k rear) and are overbuilt to withstand the special rigors of rally driving. I imagine these would feel soft on the street, and the ride height can be raised 2" or more. There is no discussion of how little ride height can be raised--I believe the assumption is that higher ride height is desirable and so the minimum would be overlooked.

For my own personal use, I am considering the Dynamic Pro Sport Coilovers. Has anyone gone with the Yellow Speed products and if so what was your experience?
 

underscore

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A buddy of mine has Yellow Speed coilovers on his Focus RS and he seems to like them. I looked into trying to tweak some of their stuff to fit our cars so it's cool to see them directly support the platform with a whole range.

14k front 12k rear would definitely be pretty brutal on the street. I ran 10k/8k briefly and that was bad enough. It handled beautifully though. I love the idea of proper gravel coilovers but from what I've heard about other ones they're really intended for high speed (>50mph) use which I don't get into with TSDs.
 

abeans

Member
Same tawain land as Ksport D-2 XYZ or whatever name and color combo they come out with.

That said i got the Ksport GR on my car, they are pretty nice for the money.
 

gt4ferko

Member
from what i've researched, yellowspeed coils don't give that "banging" when hitting bumps and give more of a solid feel like newer cars with stiffer suspension. some honda forums were talking about it being some sort of design in the top mounting plates.

im looking for a newer car type stiff ride feel. in the past i wasn't too caring about all of this stuff.

anyone have any hands on experience with yellowspeed coils on a 185???
 

Roreri

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This might be a resource for people looking at coilovers.

These are other options I have tracked down, in addition to the Yellow Speed Racing offerings I posted above:

BC Racing BR Series $1195 (8K/4K Default) https://shop.bcracing-na.com/products/9 ... 6326226008 $995 here: https://motorsportsammo.com/collections ... 7197930180 Overview here: https://youtu.be/3FSkiqyyNW8?t=550

BC Racing DS Series $1395 (8K/4K Default) https://www.fitmentindustries.com/store ... m=All+Trac and https://www.springrates.com/bc-racing-d ... awd-st185/

BC Racing RM Series $1495 (8K/4K Default) https://www.springrates.com/bc-racing-r ... awd-st185/

Silvers NEOMAX SILVER-SL2019 $1199 (8K/6K Default) https://silvers-na.com/collections/neom ... -1990-1993 Overview here: https://youtu.be/3FSkiqyyNW8?t=75

Megan Racing Street Series $1099 https://meganracing.com/mr-cdk-tce-at-4344

Feal 441 $1449 (8K/5K Default) https://fealsuspensionstore.com/feal-co ... awd-st185/ Overview here: https://youtu.be/OQIoxlkqRDc

Feal 441+ $1749 (8K/5K Default) https://fealsuspensionstore.com/feal-co ... awd-st185/ NOTE: Swift Springs included

KSport Asphalt Rally AR $1402 (8.7K/7.5K Default) https://ksportusa.com/product/toyota-ce ... elica-1992

KSport Kontrol Pro $977.50 (7.5K/4.5K Default) https://ksportusa.com/product/toyota-ce ... elica-1992

KSport Kontrol Sport $1147.50 (8.7K/5.3K Default) https://ksportusa.com/product/toyota-ce ... elica-1992

KSport Version RR $1360 (14K/12K Default) https://ksportusa.com/product/toyota-ce ... cty051-rr/

EDIT: Deleted motorsportsammo.com listing for FA500, because they don't actually have them.
 

CMS-GT4

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I am surprised Fortune Auto finally supports us. I know they made one for the 205. I spent some time talking to them and they had no interest in adapting anything for us back then.

KW also makes suspension for us, but you need to jump through some hoops to get it.

Out of your list, I would go FA, BC, and Feals.

Also, stiffer is not always better. The guy who builds bilsteins for our cars taught me that.
 

Roreri

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I don't know that FA does support us. I saw your comment about FA a while back, but someone else was able to get an FA set. I bought the Gen 5 set off that motorsportsammo.com listing, but I wouldn't be surprised if I got an email admitting they didn't have the product and a refund. I sent an email to FA sales asking whether they ever made an ST185 set, and whether I am going to be getting new old stock or a mis-listed ST205 set. Because of FA's upgrade/forward compatibility, it might be possible to upgrade these with Gen 6 or Gen 7 elements.

KW would be insane. I know that they are super quality gear, but as you said back in 2015, "Kw won't make a set for the 185 for less than 4500." So, probably $6000 now given inflation. I tend to quail at halo-quality gear. I try and stop just shy of where the cost to benefit starts to hockeystick.

Heartening to know that my choices of FA and BC match what you'd go for. Feal was up there, too, for sure. I found myself liking the Silver's NEOMAX as well, based on the fitment industry overview and some stuff I read.
 

CMS-GT4

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I don't know the current price because of the nightmare the world is in, but I think the KW was in the 3500 range. Still a lot of money. Especially if you are not racing for money and just as a hobby.
BC now has digressive dampening, so that raises them on my list. When I was working with them, they had not gotten that far yet, but they did make a 3-way coilover. You have to contact the UK branch for it though as the US office had no idea at the time. Let us know your results.
 

Roreri

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$3500 would be a bit more reasonable but too rich for my blood. For now. And like you said, we are in the end times, who knows what anything costs...

Like 'em or hate 'em, Fitment Industries sells a shitload of BC coilovers and says the product is solid, so I was definitely considering one of the offerings.

But then, I went and pulled the trigger on an FA offering that FA doesn't list on their website based on rjpan's thread here: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=53479&mobile=desktop

So, I'm committed now. I think it will work out nicely.
 

Tippo

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Roreri":39nemtr7 said:
$3500 would be a bit more reasonable but too rich for my blood. For now. And like you said, we are in the end times, who knows what anything costs...

Like 'em or hate 'em, Fitment Industries sells a shitload of BC coilovers and says the product is solid, so I was definitely considering one of the offerings. It was skeezing me out that Fitment and Springrates.com was offering the DS and RM series, but if you go to BC's website, they only offer the BR series.

But then, I went and pulled the trigger on an FA offering that FA doesn't list on their website based on rjpan's thread here: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=53479&mobile=desktop

So, I'm committed now. I think it will work out nicely.


I have a set of BC on my grey ST185. They're very stiff and bounce pretty significantly. Something people don't often talk about, so take that into consideration. I'm curious of the yellows as well.
 

grip-addict

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Have you tried adjusting the coilovers? If I have mine too tight, they make me seasick on the hey. Too lose, and the car plows. Gotta get in that goldilocks zone!
 

Roreri

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Got a reply from FA. They did make FA500s for the ST185, when they were on Gen5. But they haven’t built them for quite a while. I asked if there were upgrade paths I could pursue. Swift springs and so on.

As an additional, FA sells the FA500 Gen 7 for the ST205, for $1599. So that might be of use to someone.
 

Roreri

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Motorsports Ammo didn't actually have the Fortune Auto 500s. No huge surprise, as they have been out of stock for years. It's not really their fault so much, as I came to that link via a Google search which showed an old dead listing. They were quick to let me know and refund.

This has given me space to think a little bit. Right now I have KYB Climb Gear rear struts and God knows what on the front, probably lowering springs with Cusco camber plates, given that I'm dropped an inch and a quarter in the front and a half inch in the rear. I do bottom out when I hit bumps, and it's harsh when it happens.

I have on hand a pair of KYB Excel-G front suspension strut cartridges, part number 365075, and a 235037 and 235038 set of Excel-G rear struts. If I wanted to roll the dice on going back to new OEM gas shocks and struts, these would work.

I don't feel like I know enough yet. It may be, frankly, good enough as it is. No need to be hasty. If I were to pick, I would go with the Feal 441s, though.

https://fealsuspensionstore.com/feal-co ... awd-st185/

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I mean, sheeit... (and I know these are equivalent to the 441+ now because these had the Swift springs back then)

https://youtu.be/cCV2JEznT1o
 

Roreri

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Out of laziness and curiosity, I emailed three shops asking what they'd want to install a set of coilovers. I was kinda like, if it's like $400 or so, alignment included, I'd do that. I'm that lazy.

I'm still waiting on an answer back from the other two. But one emailed me back saying "Based on the labor guide, you would be looking at about $1400 in labor to install front+rear coilovers and do an alignment after."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :shoots:

I could not look my fellow AllTrac/GT-Four driver in the eye if I paid that much for installing a set of coilovers.

The issue of course, is "How to?" Coilover install videos aren't hard to come by, but...each platform has peculiarities. Well, thankfully, BD Autobody posted a video of a coilover install on an ST185--ironically enough for a set of Yellow Speed Racing Dynamic Pro Sport coilovers:

https://youtu.be/4kEaKdWzjd0

Unfortunately, it's shallow on details, but other coilover videos can fill in the gaps. This one I found mildly instructive, though of 6th Gen Celica:

https://youtu.be/Qy95oA4ZBu4

If anyone has any additional tips or pointers, I would much appreciate it.
 

simple

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Yeah it is a pretty easy job as the top mounts are easy to get to on the Celica. That is not the case on most vehicles so the quote is fair for most.

You should be able to swap out in a few hours. Definitely bring to a competent specialist alignment shop not just a standard mechanic.
 

Roreri

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Even an AllTrac/GT-Four owner can catch a lucky break every once in a while.

To get to the top mounts in the rear, it's just pop that plastic cover that looks like a speaker grill, am I right?
 

CMS-GT4

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Make sure you hold onto your oem suspension. It may come in useful if you ever need to send stuff in to be rebuilt. It is also getting harder to get, so it is another hoard part.
 
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